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How about you refute the arguments instead of mocking them like a sixth grader?
by nawitus 13y ago
How about you refute the arguments instead of mocking them like a sixth grader?
- hackinthebochs 13y agoWhat argument? I haven't seen anything presented in a logical way that warranted a reasoned response (although others have attempted to elucidate)
- nawitus 13y agoI have seen many.
- smokeyj 13y agoWhat is it about racial descrimination that you find virtuous?
- hackinthebochs 13y agoGood job asking a loaded question in what was I guess your attempt at appearing rational. (In case you don't see it, its analogous to a reporter asking someone: "why did you murder and rape that girl behind the shed") Racial discrimination isn't inherently bad. Doctors "racially discriminate" regarding certain treatments such as heart disease, hypertension, etc because of their disparate prevalence among minorities. So whether discrimination is bad depends on the context and whats being accomplished. "Discriminating" against whites and men (fucking laughable) in an attempt to create a safe and welcoming environment for a severely underrepresented group is a positive use of discrimination.
- smokeyj 13y agoA loaded question is when you try to misrepresent someone's point of view. Am I missing something, or did you not agree with the basic premise (Racial discrimination isn't inherently bad)? I would argue your doctor analogy is flawed in that doctors don't racially discriminate, but biologically discriminate. I guess I can see why you would think that. > So whether discrimination is bad depends on the context and whats being accomplished. I agree, but I still haven't seen a good argument for racial discrimination. Can you cite examples of where racism was good for society? I'm willing to keep an open mind about it, but I think in the long run, segregating ourselves is not the right way forward. Maybe this is too disney, but I'd like to live in a world where we can disregard race and reach out to whoever needs it.
- hackinthebochs 13y agoThis entire thread is about "discrimination" for the purposes of introducing black girls to programming. Is that not a positive for society?
- smokeyj 13y ago> This entire thread is about "discrimination" for the purposes of introducing black girls to programming. Is that not a positive for society? Are you justifying racism via economic output? I've seen this line of reasoning go horribly wrong before.. Obviously teaching people how to be productive is good. But what about teaching people to discriminate against others? If we were to argue from principle, I would agree that racism is not a virtue. That said, I don't adhere to principled reasoning 100% of the time and would be happy to help "black girls" code.
- hackinthebochs 13y agoStop conflating discrimination based on race and racism. They are not the same. Go study some history if you don't believe me. And just because I know this is coming: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6976062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6976062
- smokeyj 13y agoQuit trying to intellectualize your racist approach to moral righteousness. It's coming across as desperate. If you have a principled argument to make, now would be a good time. If all you have is more false analogies then I think I've had enough.
- hackinthebochs 13y agoYou have literally said nothing of substance in any of your responses to me.
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- slurry 13y agoThat's a question, not an argument.
- icegreentea 13y agoIt's virtuous because it acknowledges reality, and the reality is that society does not treat all groups equally, and that there are still systemic barriers in place. It also acknowledges that targeted campaigns working on relatively homogeneous groups are probably the most effective. The point of the whole civil rights movement wasn't just to extend all political and economic rights on paper to the black population and then just leave it at that. The point was to extend justice and fairness to all Americans. Anyone who takes a look at the last 40 years of American History can understand that that has not happened. Unfortunately, since the systemic barriers are both externally enforced AND to a degree internally self inflicted, any attempt to address some of the self-inflicted barriers will be "discriminatory".
- tptacek 13y agoYou mean how about we dignify "arguments" like your "Where're the free events to help white men code? Maybe they exist, but I haven't heard about them."
- nawitus 13y agoThat's an argument, not an "argument", and it should be dignified.
- _pius 13y agoNot really. Your "argument" is puerile, privileged bellyaching in response to someone donating his own money towards helping an organization teach kids how to code.
- gress 13y agoHe's not dignifying it because it's plainly absurd. There are hundreds of events aimed at helping white men to code.
- smokeyj 13y agoAre you intentionally misrepresenting people's concerns of promoting racial discrimination as a virtue? I think it's concerning that we want to segregate and advance certain racial groups instead of addressing (what I see as) the core issue -- why are we so segregated (racist?)? Why are we uncomfortable around people who look/act/dress a little different than us? Many of us are multi-racial immigrants with backgrounds that cant be identified by by the color of a crayon. That said, I think teaching anyone to code is better than not teaching them to code. If you choose who you teach based on the color of their skin, I don't see how that isn't racism.