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I'd be seriously troubled if it were the only program in the world teaching anyone to code, yeah. However, it's not. I don't mind if there's some specific "he

by rdl 13y ago

I'd be seriously troubled if it were the only program in the world teaching anyone to code, yeah. However, it's not. I don't mind if there's some specific "help children of fallen 9/11 firefighters" program, or "black girls code", or whatever, because there are plenty of other programs for other people. I donated $10, which thanks to the magic of Alexis, is $20. It took less time than to write this comment.

nawitus 13y ago
Where're the free events to help white men code? Maybe they exist, but I haven't heard about them.
- tptacek 13y ago
  You mean, "where is practically every other free coding event ever"?
  - nawitus 13y ago
    Yes, I haven't heard about them in Finland. I've only heard about Rail Girls events here.
    - gress 13y ago
      Are you seriously saying there are no other coding events of any kind in Finland?
      - nawitus 13y ago
        I'm saying I haven't heard about them. (Note, I'm talking about events where people are taught to code). I've seen some "make a game over the weekend", but they're for experienced developers. There was also an event for young children (but that's not an event where adults can learn as far as I know).
        gress 13y ago
        Is there something prohibiting you from starting one?
    - rdl 13y ago
      That is kind of fucked up. It might just be that the other events don't do any promotion? I'd assume there would be at least some general events, ideally revolving around better languages (... :) ), in a country the size of Finland.
- rdl 13y ago
  There are ~0 explicitly marketed as "help white men code", both because ~no one running an event would actually want to exclude the 0.5 female and 0.05 black attendees who might show up at a 50 person coding event, and because it would cause a political shitstorm. There are plenty of "teach people to code" programs -- ranging from language-specific events to things at hackerspaces to companies pitching their APIs, at least in the Bay Area and Seattle and NY. I don't know about other places. Some have nominal attendance fees, but most organizers will waive them if you volunteer or are poor (and especially if you're a poor young person).
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > Where're the free events to help white men code? Groups focussing on improving accessibility of a field to underrepresented groups are typically working from the premise that the status quo, superficially neutral, system already serves certain groups very well, but other groups poorly. That absence of the overtly-labelled events of the type you ask about could be an indicator that few people think that the status quo system underserves white men compared to other groups in this area.
gizmo686 13y ago
There is a difference between being seriously troubled by something, and thinking that something is wrong but not that significant. This case falls into a third category of wrong, not that significant, and wants my money.

by rdl 13y ago

nawitus 13y ago

Where're the free events to help white men code? Maybe they exist, but I haven't heard about them.

tptacek 13y ago
You mean, "where is practically every other free coding event ever"?
- nawitus 13y ago
  Yes, I haven't heard about them in Finland. I've only heard about Rail Girls events here.
  - gress 13y ago
    Are you seriously saying there are no other coding events of any kind in Finland?
    - nawitus 13y ago
      I'm saying I haven't heard about them. (Note, I'm talking about events where people are taught to code). I've seen some "make a game over the weekend", but they're for experienced developers. There was also an event for young children (but that's not an event where adults can learn as far as I know).
      - gress 13y ago
        Is there something prohibiting you from starting one?
  - rdl 13y ago
    That is kind of fucked up. It might just be that the other events don't do any promotion? I'd assume there would be at least some general events, ideally revolving around better languages (... :) ), in a country the size of Finland.
rdl 13y ago
There are ~0 explicitly marketed as "help white men code", both because ~no one running an event would actually want to exclude the 0.5 female and 0.05 black attendees who might show up at a 50 person coding event, and because it would cause a political shitstorm. There are plenty of "teach people to code" programs -- ranging from language-specific events to things at hackerspaces to companies pitching their APIs, at least in the Bay Area and Seattle and NY. I don't know about other places. Some have nominal attendance fees, but most organizers will waive them if you volunteer or are poor (and especially if you're a poor young person).
dragonwriter 13y ago
> Where're the free events to help white men code? Groups focussing on improving accessibility of a field to underrepresented groups are typically working from the premise that the status quo, superficially neutral, system already serves certain groups very well, but other groups poorly. That absence of the overtly-labelled events of the type you ask about could be an indicator that few people think that the status quo system underserves white men compared to other groups in this area.

gizmo686 13y ago

There is a difference between being seriously troubled by something, and thinking that something is wrong but not that significant. This case falls into a third category of wrong, not that significant, and wants my money.