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Syntax control for the command line

46 points by kainosnoema 13y ago

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gliese1337 13y ago
That's natural language syntax, BTW. And just part-of-speech tag info at that, not full-on syntax-tree-aware stuff. Still, cool. Didn't know OS X had that stuff built-in.
JasonFruit 13y ago
See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6966528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6966528. This is pretty much the best response I can imagine.
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tunesmith 13y ago
What's the point here? Is this a demonstration of prior art? Or is it just demonstrating that a patent's technology is easily re-implemented? Because if it's the latter, that doesn't really prove anything. Patents are to protect technologies/inventions that are far easier to produce after invention than before. That's the good part of a patent, when the patent system works as designed. If it's a demonstration of prior art though, that's pretty cool - it might help to make it more obvious, though.
- kainosnoema 13y ago
  It's neither prior art (though it was started prior to the recent patent publicity), nor a re-implementation (as stated in the readme, it's just a wrapper around OS X's NSLinguisticTagger). Why can't it just be a useful tool? I'm looking forward to using it while writing project documentation and will be working on editor plugins using the JSON formatted output (https://github.com/stephencelis/syn/commit/d2d36473f7295c6cfb220f4e322c6b7b2ca798fe https://github.com/stephencelis/syn/commit/d2d36473f7295c6cf...).
- Estragon 13y ago
  It's an invitation to IA to dig themselves a deeper hole. :-)
- coldtea 13y ago
  >What's the point here? Is this a demonstration of prior art? Or is it just demonstrating that a patent's technology is easily re-implemented? No patent. iA took that back. One wasn't possible anyway -- not only this is 90% Apple's API, but even the UI implementation of this particular feature was already shown by Apple in WWDC 2011.
bilalq 13y ago
Before people get up in arms about iA patents, see this tweet where they announced that they're dropping their patents pending: https://twitter.com/iA/statuses/416393539182796800 https://twitter.com/iA/statuses/416393539182796800 That aside, this is pretty cool. I'm not sure if I'd ever use it, but it would be cool to see a vim plugin that offers similar functionality.
- jeremiep 13y ago
  Here's the discussion with DHH that led to this decision: http://storify.com/nthnclrk/conversation-with-dhh-ia-and-stevieness http://storify.com/nthnclrk/conversation-with-dhh-ia-and-ste...
alexchamberlain 13y ago
Couple of `git` points: why are you committing binaries to your master branch? Personally, I also won't be moving anything from a random git repo into /usr/local/bin...
- stephencelis 13y ago
  For those that are worried, the source is there to inspect and compile. For those that aren't, there's reduced friction. It's a young project and I could move the binary elsewhere, but I'm not sure that would change your concern? Is there an alternate process you would suggest?
  - jewel 13y ago
    I believe GP was saying two separate things. First of all, it's unusual to commit binaries to source control, because they can't be merged, etc. Second of all, he personally isn't comfortable with binaries and would rather compile from source. It'd be more traditional to release binaries separately, maybe using the following: https://github.com/blog/1547-release-your-software https://github.com/blog/1547-release-your-software
    - stephencelis 13y ago
      Ah, I'd missed that update. Thanks! I prefer this to the current workflow.
    - alexchamberlain 13y ago
      Indeed, thanks for clarifying. The linked post sounds like a good workflow.
- coldtea 13y ago
  >Personally, I also won't be moving anything from a random git repo into /usr/local/bin... How is a random developer page offering an app download any better?
jbrooksuk 13y ago
If I find some time I may write a plugin for Sublime Text :)
- kainosnoema 13y ago
  The OP is working on a nicer machine-readable output for exactly this purpose, though I think he's hoping for a Vim plugin. I'm also be wanting a Sublime plugin, preferably one that can cycle the selection through tagged words and allow editing. I started hacking one out last night, but got stuck on the complexity of the plugin architecture. I'll update this if I ever get something working.
wodenokoto 13y ago
OSX has built-in NLP tools? I tried doing a google search for it, but I can't find any documentation. Do any of you know anything about it?
- bodhi 13y ago
  Tools, as in command line tools, I'm not so sure about. But Cocoa has NSLinguisticTagger. Good overviews: http://www.objc.io/issue-7/linguistic-tagging.html http://www.objc.io/issue-7/linguistic-tagging.html http://nshipster.com/nslinguistictagger/ http://nshipster.com/nslinguistictagger/ And SDK documentation: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/cocoa/reference/NSLinguisticTagger_Class/Reference/Reference.html https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/cocoa/...
  - wodenokoto 13y ago
    Thanks!

46 points by kainosnoema 13y ago

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That's natural language syntax, BTW. And just part-of-speech tag info at that, not full-on syntax-tree-aware stuff. Still, cool. Didn't know OS X had that stuff built-in.

JasonFruit 13y ago

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6966528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6966528. This is pretty much the best response I can imagine.

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tunesmith 13y ago

What's the point here? Is this a demonstration of prior art? Or is it just demonstrating that a patent's technology is easily re-implemented? Because if it's the latter, that doesn't really prove anything. Patents are to protect technologies/inventions that are far easier to produce after invention than before. That's the good part of a patent, when the patent system works as designed. If it's a demonstration of prior art though, that's pretty cool - it might help to make it more obvious, though.

kainosnoema 13y ago
It's neither prior art (though it was started prior to the recent patent publicity), nor a re-implementation (as stated in the readme, it's just a wrapper around OS X's NSLinguisticTagger). Why can't it just be a useful tool? I'm looking forward to using it while writing project documentation and will be working on editor plugins using the JSON formatted output (https://github.com/stephencelis/syn/commit/d2d36473f7295c6cfb220f4e322c6b7b2ca798fe https://github.com/stephencelis/syn/commit/d2d36473f7295c6cf...).
Estragon 13y ago
It's an invitation to IA to dig themselves a deeper hole. :-)
coldtea 13y ago
>What's the point here? Is this a demonstration of prior art? Or is it just demonstrating that a patent's technology is easily re-implemented? No patent. iA took that back. One wasn't possible anyway -- not only this is 90% Apple's API, but even the UI implementation of this particular feature was already shown by Apple in WWDC 2011.

bilalq 13y ago

Before people get up in arms about iA patents, see this tweet where they announced that they're dropping their patents pending: https://twitter.com/iA/statuses/416393539182796800 https://twitter.com/iA/statuses/416393539182796800 That aside, this is pretty cool. I'm not sure if I'd ever use it, but it would be cool to see a vim plugin that offers similar functionality.

jeremiep 13y ago
Here's the discussion with DHH that led to this decision: http://storify.com/nthnclrk/conversation-with-dhh-ia-and-stevieness http://storify.com/nthnclrk/conversation-with-dhh-ia-and-ste...

alexchamberlain 13y ago

Couple of `git` points: why are you committing binaries to your master branch? Personally, I also won't be moving anything from a random git repo into /usr/local/bin...

stephencelis 13y ago
For those that are worried, the source is there to inspect and compile. For those that aren't, there's reduced friction. It's a young project and I could move the binary elsewhere, but I'm not sure that would change your concern? Is there an alternate process you would suggest?
- jewel 13y ago
  I believe GP was saying two separate things. First of all, it's unusual to commit binaries to source control, because they can't be merged, etc. Second of all, he personally isn't comfortable with binaries and would rather compile from source. It'd be more traditional to release binaries separately, maybe using the following: https://github.com/blog/1547-release-your-software https://github.com/blog/1547-release-your-software
  - stephencelis 13y ago
    Ah, I'd missed that update. Thanks! I prefer this to the current workflow.
  - alexchamberlain 13y ago
    Indeed, thanks for clarifying. The linked post sounds like a good workflow.
coldtea 13y ago
>Personally, I also won't be moving anything from a random git repo into /usr/local/bin... How is a random developer page offering an app download any better?

jbrooksuk 13y ago

If I find some time I may write a plugin for Sublime Text :)

kainosnoema 13y ago
The OP is working on a nicer machine-readable output for exactly this purpose, though I think he's hoping for a Vim plugin. I'm also be wanting a Sublime plugin, preferably one that can cycle the selection through tagged words and allow editing. I started hacking one out last night, but got stuck on the complexity of the plugin architecture. I'll update this if I ever get something working.

wodenokoto 13y ago

OSX has built-in NLP tools? I tried doing a google search for it, but I can't find any documentation. Do any of you know anything about it?

bodhi 13y ago
Tools, as in command line tools, I'm not so sure about. But Cocoa has NSLinguisticTagger. Good overviews: http://www.objc.io/issue-7/linguistic-tagging.html http://www.objc.io/issue-7/linguistic-tagging.html http://nshipster.com/nslinguistictagger/ http://nshipster.com/nslinguistictagger/ And SDK documentation: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/cocoa/reference/NSLinguisticTagger_Class/Reference/Reference.html https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/cocoa/...
- wodenokoto 13y ago
  Thanks!