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Who cares what is legal/illegal. That's missing the point. Under the PATRIOT Act raping and torturing infants is legal[1]. When corrupt politicians make corr

Who cares what is legal/illegal. That's missing the point. Under the PATRIOT Act raping and torturing infants is legal[1]. When corrupt politicians make corrupt laws, the only thing that should matter is what is morally correct. Or to quote John Oliver of the Daily Show, > I think you're misunderstanding the perceived problem here, Mr. President. No one is saying you broke any laws. We're just saying it's a little bit weird that you didn't have to. [1] probably.

InclinedPlane 13y ago
I understand that you're angry and frustrated but don't make arguments like this. Do you think you're convincing anybody with these preposterous statements? Do you think someone who is unconvinced that the PATRIOT Act is bad would read what you are saying and be astonished at the idea that it makes raping and torturing infants legal, then be spurred to change their mind and take action to oppose it? There's no need to make up bullshit about the PATRIOT Act, to exaggerate its effects, or to engage in histrionics. Those things weaken your case in the eyes of the people who you most want to convince. Don't exaggerate, don't use hyperbole, don't lie, don't be immature, make the strongest case possible and back it with facts.
- aryastark 13y ago
  Thanks for the downvote. Didn't realize I was on reddit. > Don't exaggerate, don't use hyperbole, don't lie, don't be immature, I did none of those things. I used a device called humor. Perhaps you have none. I'm sorry. I did quote the Daily Show, after all. Thanks to you, InclinedPlane, I will never make another PATRIOT Act joke. Thank you for informing me on how to use my Freedom Speech.
  - alan_cx 13y ago
    HN does NOT do humour. Well, unless its embedded in code, then its like fecking hilarious.
- summerdown2 13y ago
  Astonishingly, I think you are incorrect. Apparently there are serious figures who think the torturing of infants is in fact legal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo#Regarding_torture_of_detainees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo#Regarding_torture_of_... > "If the President deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?", to which Yoo replied "No treaty." Cassel followed up with "Also no law by Congress—that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo", to which Yoo replied "I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that."

InclinedPlane 13y ago

I understand that you're angry and frustrated but don't make arguments like this. Do you think you're convincing anybody with these preposterous statements? Do you think someone who is unconvinced that the PATRIOT Act is bad would read what you are saying and be astonished at the idea that it makes raping and torturing infants legal, then be spurred to change their mind and take action to oppose it? There's no need to make up bullshit about the PATRIOT Act, to exaggerate its effects, or to engage in histrionics. Those things weaken your case in the eyes of the people who you most want to convince. Don't exaggerate, don't use hyperbole, don't lie, don't be immature, make the strongest case possible and back it with facts.

aryastark 13y ago
Thanks for the downvote. Didn't realize I was on reddit. > Don't exaggerate, don't use hyperbole, don't lie, don't be immature, I did none of those things. I used a device called humor. Perhaps you have none. I'm sorry. I did quote the Daily Show, after all. Thanks to you, InclinedPlane, I will never make another PATRIOT Act joke. Thank you for informing me on how to use my Freedom Speech.
- alan_cx 13y ago
  HN does NOT do humour. Well, unless its embedded in code, then its like fecking hilarious.
summerdown2 13y ago
Astonishingly, I think you are incorrect. Apparently there are serious figures who think the torturing of infants is in fact legal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo#Regarding_torture_of_detainees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo#Regarding_torture_of_... > "If the President deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?", to which Yoo replied "No treaty." Cassel followed up with "Also no law by Congress—that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo", to which Yoo replied "I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that."