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> "Judge Pauley said that protections under the Fourth Amendment do not apply to records held by third parties, like phone companies." Okay, so then when I dow

> "Judge Pauley said that protections under the Fourth Amendment do not apply to records held by third parties, like phone companies." Okay, so then when I download an MP3 it's not theft because I didn't actually deprive the artist of their source files.

thenerdfiles 13y ago
They're totally exploiting the fact that the legal system is so huge, no one organization can keep track of all of these conceptual inconsistencies. Where's http://groklaw.net http://groklaw.net when you need it?
- chris_mahan 13y ago
  Sadly, groklaw.net apparently went down exactly because it was unable to insure the privacy of its communications once it discovered the extant of the NSA data collection. So if we are unable to communicate privately, is there any privacy left?
  - codex 13y ago
    No, Groklaw is a freak show which used a flimsy excuse to shut down for reasons unknown.
- halviti 13y ago
  I disagree. This is so far over the line into obvious bullshit that anyone with a 6th grade education can smell the government's Schadenfreude. If anything they are exploiting the fact that the public has become docile and likely won't fight back, even when they know without a doubt they are being lied to by the people they pay to protect them.
jaekwon 13y ago
Yeah haha! Let's at least make the system consistent. To be fair, then I'd also have to let the NSA keep records from "third parties", since I'm a Kopimist of sorts. Actually, I'm OK with the NSA having my data. I'm not OK with them compelling third parties to HAND OVER data (e.g. PRISM) but I'm fine with them holding information that they gathered through other means as long as those means were acceptable. Tapping fiber optic cables is a gray line here. All good as long as they allow me to evade them by taking privacy into my own hands. I want to be able to use, export, and import any encryption technology that I see fit. Let's play ball.

thenerdfiles 13y ago

They're totally exploiting the fact that the legal system is so huge, no one organization can keep track of all of these conceptual inconsistencies. Where's http://groklaw.net http://groklaw.net when you need it?

chris_mahan 13y ago
Sadly, groklaw.net apparently went down exactly because it was unable to insure the privacy of its communications once it discovered the extant of the NSA data collection. So if we are unable to communicate privately, is there any privacy left?
- codex 13y ago
  No, Groklaw is a freak show which used a flimsy excuse to shut down for reasons unknown.
halviti 13y ago
I disagree. This is so far over the line into obvious bullshit that anyone with a 6th grade education can smell the government's Schadenfreude. If anything they are exploiting the fact that the public has become docile and likely won't fight back, even when they know without a doubt they are being lied to by the people they pay to protect them.

jaekwon 13y ago

Yeah haha! Let's at least make the system consistent. To be fair, then I'd also have to let the NSA keep records from "third parties", since I'm a Kopimist of sorts. Actually, I'm OK with the NSA having my data. I'm not OK with them compelling third parties to HAND OVER data (e.g. PRISM) but I'm fine with them holding information that they gathered through other means as long as those means were acceptable. Tapping fiber optic cables is a gray line here. All good as long as they allow me to evade them by taking privacy into my own hands. I want to be able to use, export, and import any encryption technology that I see fit. Let's play ball.