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Could you please explain what diffraction is in simple terms, or point me to a source where it's explained? I have a grasp on what diffraction is, but I don't u

by josu 13y ago

Could you please explain what diffraction is in simple terms, or point me to a source where it's explained? I have a grasp on what diffraction is, but I don't understand the role it plays in this.

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DougWebb 13y ago
Simple layman's explanation (from a layman): lenses spread light out a bit as the light passes through, so the red wavelengths hit the sensor in a slightly different spot than the blue wavelengths. You need more expensive lenses to reduce this effect, but you're not going to get those in consumer-grade mass-market 1/8"-across lenses. As a result, higher pixel densities will cause light from a single point to be spread across multiple pixels, with different wavelengths going to different pixels. Software can probably reconstruct the image somewhat, but I'm sure you'll hit a limit where there is too much interference to get the image any sharper no matter how many pixels you squeeze in.
- tanzam75 13y ago
  > Simple layman's explanation (from a layman): lenses spread light out a bit as the light passes through, so the red wavelengths hit the sensor in a slightly different spot than the blue wavelengths. What you've described is chromatic aberration. Diffraction refers to the spreading of waves around an obstacle -- such as the aperture blades in your camera. No lens need be involved -- you can get diffraction with a pinhole camera.
kawera 13y ago
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photo...
hahainternet 13y ago
The smaller the aperture, the more diffracted incoming light rays. Once the 'circle of confusion' or airy disc exceeds the size of a single pixel on the sensor, you begin to lose lens sharpness. If you imagine two strips of paper, one green, one blue, directly adjacent. Now imagine photons from either side of the adjacent edge passing through a lens which slightly diffracts them. This results in an obvious merging of the blue/green strips. The more the diffraction the more they merge, the less sharp the images become. Current APS-C sensors at 18 megapixels have pixels small enough that an aperture of around f/11 is the minimum size before this effect begins. As sensors get more and more dense, the required aperture size gets larger and larger. F/8 is considered a 'normal' aperture and once sensors hit that density then the payoff from increased resolution is significantly less and can impact image quality adversely. This is why science missions use 2mp CCDs that they know the characteristics of, rather than some 40 megapixel phone sensor. edit: I've just realised I've typed all this out with the wrong idea. You wanted a simple explanation of diffraction. Imagine a water tank with waves being generated from a source at one end. Put a wall with a narrow hole in the middle of the tank. If the wavelength of the waves is significantly less than the width of the hole, they will for the most part pass through unaltered. As the hole gets smaller, more significant changes to the waves occur. They begin to 'spread out' or 'diffract'. An intuitive explanation is difficult but this is a practical one that makes sense to people.
- josu 13y ago
  Thank you, for both explanations, that was very informative.
- kika 13y ago
  Science missions use 2mp CCDs mostly because of the sensitivity. The larger is the individual sensor ("pixel") the more photons it can absorb thus more electrical potential it can generate compared to the noise level. There's also technological barriers for creating large megapixel CCDs as opposed to CMOS. Large CCDs are usually created by "stitching" multiple sensors together, which increase their price as a square of the size. You can shoot fullframe (35mm) camera at ISO 25600 and get decent results, but if you crank up signal amplification on iPhone to 25600 you'll get nothing but random color dots :-)
hnriot 13y ago
there is no simple explanation, or rather the simple explanation is your photos will be slightly blurry, from interference patterns due to the mysterious world of quantum mechanics. If you want a better explanation, ask a photon to make up its mind whether it's a wave or a particle.

by josu 13y ago

Could you please explain what diffraction is in simple terms, or point me to a source where it's explained? I have a grasp on what diffraction is, but I don't understand the role it plays in this.

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DougWebb 13y ago

Simple layman's explanation (from a layman): lenses spread light out a bit as the light passes through, so the red wavelengths hit the sensor in a slightly different spot than the blue wavelengths. You need more expensive lenses to reduce this effect, but you're not going to get those in consumer-grade mass-market 1/8"-across lenses. As a result, higher pixel densities will cause light from a single point to be spread across multiple pixels, with different wavelengths going to different pixels. Software can probably reconstruct the image somewhat, but I'm sure you'll hit a limit where there is too much interference to get the image any sharper no matter how many pixels you squeeze in.

tanzam75 13y ago
> Simple layman's explanation (from a layman): lenses spread light out a bit as the light passes through, so the red wavelengths hit the sensor in a slightly different spot than the blue wavelengths. What you've described is chromatic aberration. Diffraction refers to the spreading of waves around an obstacle -- such as the aperture blades in your camera. No lens need be involved -- you can get diffraction with a pinhole camera.

kawera 13y ago

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photo...

hahainternet 13y ago

The smaller the aperture, the more diffracted incoming light rays. Once the 'circle of confusion' or airy disc exceeds the size of a single pixel on the sensor, you begin to lose lens sharpness. If you imagine two strips of paper, one green, one blue, directly adjacent. Now imagine photons from either side of the adjacent edge passing through a lens which slightly diffracts them. This results in an obvious merging of the blue/green strips. The more the diffraction the more they merge, the less sharp the images become. Current APS-C sensors at 18 megapixels have pixels small enough that an aperture of around f/11 is the minimum size before this effect begins. As sensors get more and more dense, the required aperture size gets larger and larger. F/8 is considered a 'normal' aperture and once sensors hit that density then the payoff from increased resolution is significantly less and can impact image quality adversely. This is why science missions use 2mp CCDs that they know the characteristics of, rather than some 40 megapixel phone sensor. edit: I've just realised I've typed all this out with the wrong idea. You wanted a simple explanation of diffraction. Imagine a water tank with waves being generated from a source at one end. Put a wall with a narrow hole in the middle of the tank. If the wavelength of the waves is significantly less than the width of the hole, they will for the most part pass through unaltered. As the hole gets smaller, more significant changes to the waves occur. They begin to 'spread out' or 'diffract'. An intuitive explanation is difficult but this is a practical one that makes sense to people.

josu 13y ago
Thank you, for both explanations, that was very informative.
kika 13y ago
Science missions use 2mp CCDs mostly because of the sensitivity. The larger is the individual sensor ("pixel") the more photons it can absorb thus more electrical potential it can generate compared to the noise level. There's also technological barriers for creating large megapixel CCDs as opposed to CMOS. Large CCDs are usually created by "stitching" multiple sensors together, which increase their price as a square of the size. You can shoot fullframe (35mm) camera at ISO 25600 and get decent results, but if you crank up signal amplification on iPhone to 25600 you'll get nothing but random color dots :-)

hnriot 13y ago

there is no simple explanation, or rather the simple explanation is your photos will be slightly blurry, from interference patterns due to the mysterious world of quantum mechanics. If you want a better explanation, ask a photon to make up its mind whether it's a wave or a particle.