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Its worst than that. A least with Windows on PC clones, you have control over the hardware and can update to your hearts content. Android makers often change th

Its worst than that. A least with Windows on PC clones, you have control over the hardware and can update to your hearts content. Android makers often change the interface and can interfere with you from getting updates.

pavlov 13y ago
That's probably something that the PC clone vendors of the early Windows era (1990-95) would have loved to do, but they just didn't have the software competence. Developing a new shell for Windows was technically possible, but must have seemed like an outlandish prospect to companies like Compaq or Dell. ("Where are we going to hire a bunch of C developers who know GUIs and can do a better job at this than Microsoft? Forget about it.") Some companies did go there -- for instance, HP had an advanced Windows shell called NewWave [0], but I don't think they ever built PCs specifically for it. Today, the situation is very different. The executives at any old phone maker will look at Android and say: "That's just Java, isn't it? We have plenty of people who know Java. Hell, there's a school down the road where they train 100 Java developers every year. Let's do it! We can be a software company too, just like Apple!" And of course we know how that turns out. But it will take a long time until the executives at all those LGs and HTCs will recognize that their organization sucks at software, because it's not a software organization at its core. (Nokia spent tens of billions of dollars on Symbian and MeeGo until they finally got this lesson, and they ended up selling the phones to a software company.) [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_NewWave http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_NewWave
- tanzam75 13y ago
  Isn't Microsoft also more restrictive when it comes to what parts of Windows OEMs are allowed to customize? It's one thing to swap out PROGMAN.EXE, as HP did with NewWave. But you're not allowed to interfere with the ability to run Windows Update.
  - tadfisher 13y ago
    That's just the bargain Google struck with carriers and OEMs. They have the reins on Google services, but allowing OS customization was a concession to get third parties to adopt Android as the de facto iOS competitor. And OEMs and carriers love to push their own customizations to build revenue streams.
hrkristian 13y ago
Then again, Android comes in different flavors while Windows does not. There is a trade-off there, and you'll usually get the same or better upgrade frequency from an Android OEM than from Microsoft. For those interested in having the latest version (most consumers aren't even aware their device is outdated, or don't care) there's CM and similar options. Driver issues exist with some hardware (Samsung Exynos for instance, prime example), and that's a shame, but it's not much different from going to GNU/Linux on x86, which I find is comparable (more up to date, generally better performance and UX, non-proprietary, but some hardware incompatibility)
bad_user 13y ago
Funny that you mention that, since my Nexus 4 was upgraded to KitKat as soon as it was released, my first generation Galaxy S is on Android 4.3 (thanks to Cyanogenmod), while my home desktop is still on Windows XP (OEM), because Windows upgrades have been very expensive. The situation is much better with Windows 8, but coupled with taxes, I still would have to pay about 150-200 EUR in my country. Microsoft's entire business model has always been OEM prebundling, in which updates happened by buying a new computer. That is why many companies are STILL on Windows XP. Anything else is bullshit coming from young people that haven't felt how the industry evolved during the nineties. And Android is very unlike Windows because Android is open source, Android can be ported by third-parties and Android can be forked.

pavlov 13y ago

That's probably something that the PC clone vendors of the early Windows era (1990-95) would have loved to do, but they just didn't have the software competence. Developing a new shell for Windows was technically possible, but must have seemed like an outlandish prospect to companies like Compaq or Dell. ("Where are we going to hire a bunch of C developers who know GUIs and can do a better job at this than Microsoft? Forget about it.") Some companies did go there -- for instance, HP had an advanced Windows shell called NewWave [0], but I don't think they ever built PCs specifically for it. Today, the situation is very different. The executives at any old phone maker will look at Android and say: "That's just Java, isn't it? We have plenty of people who know Java. Hell, there's a school down the road where they train 100 Java developers every year. Let's do it! We can be a software company too, just like Apple!" And of course we know how that turns out. But it will take a long time until the executives at all those LGs and HTCs will recognize that their organization sucks at software, because it's not a software organization at its core. (Nokia spent tens of billions of dollars on Symbian and MeeGo until they finally got this lesson, and they ended up selling the phones to a software company.) [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_NewWave http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_NewWave

tanzam75 13y ago
Isn't Microsoft also more restrictive when it comes to what parts of Windows OEMs are allowed to customize? It's one thing to swap out PROGMAN.EXE, as HP did with NewWave. But you're not allowed to interfere with the ability to run Windows Update.
- tadfisher 13y ago
  That's just the bargain Google struck with carriers and OEMs. They have the reins on Google services, but allowing OS customization was a concession to get third parties to adopt Android as the de facto iOS competitor. And OEMs and carriers love to push their own customizations to build revenue streams.

hrkristian 13y ago

Then again, Android comes in different flavors while Windows does not. There is a trade-off there, and you'll usually get the same or better upgrade frequency from an Android OEM than from Microsoft. For those interested in having the latest version (most consumers aren't even aware their device is outdated, or don't care) there's CM and similar options. Driver issues exist with some hardware (Samsung Exynos for instance, prime example), and that's a shame, but it's not much different from going to GNU/Linux on x86, which I find is comparable (more up to date, generally better performance and UX, non-proprietary, but some hardware incompatibility)

bad_user 13y ago

Funny that you mention that, since my Nexus 4 was upgraded to KitKat as soon as it was released, my first generation Galaxy S is on Android 4.3 (thanks to Cyanogenmod), while my home desktop is still on Windows XP (OEM), because Windows upgrades have been very expensive. The situation is much better with Windows 8, but coupled with taxes, I still would have to pay about 150-200 EUR in my country. Microsoft's entire business model has always been OEM prebundling, in which updates happened by buying a new computer. That is why many companies are STILL on Windows XP. Anything else is bullshit coming from young people that haven't felt how the industry evolved during the nineties. And Android is very unlike Windows because Android is open source, Android can be ported by third-parties and Android can be forked.