>I don't have the stamina to debate with libertarians... Probably true; I guess my comment can thought of more as counter-propaganda. >Suppose, for example...

>I don't have the stamina to debate with libertarians... Probably true; I guess my comment can thought of more as counter-propaganda. >Suppose, for example... I imagine if I could get someone to question the premises of their hateful, retrograde philosophy I could get them to engage in further inquiry, which might open their eyes. >You say you have lost your taste for intellectual debate online... True, but I could also cultivate other interests. I'm sure eventually it will entice me again, >Your starting point is that you know the truth Marxists don't believe in absolute truth. Do 'debate and reason' derive their power from the material world? It seems to me that they only exercise power in shaping one's consciousness to the degree that they reflect facts about the material world. Following on the heels of that, what facts about a humans physical presence in the world carry more import for every other facet of their life than their economic position (position meaning, in particular, class)? For what it's worth, people can and do argue against economic determinism. The degree of success that they have in that regard is a matter of continuing debate.