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Or, alternatively, why not actually foster dialogue between left-wing and right-wing anarchists and help the two groups realize that they're often not as far ap

Or, alternatively, why not actually foster dialogue between left-wing and right-wing anarchists and help the two groups realize that they're often not as far apart as they think? Seems to be working quite well over at http://c4ss.org/ http://c4ss.org/ .

jahaja 13y ago
That is a great site, I have no problem with dicussion with what you would call right-wing anarchist. Even though I want to point out that I don't think it's fair to call agendas advocating property-rights and wage working anarchist as it's so far from anarchist thought.
collyw 13y ago
I think they are incredibly far apart. "Right wing anarchists" seem to want to take the trappings of capitalism, from which they have benefited immensely, and keep as much as they can to themselves. For the good of themselves. True anarchists reject capital and properly rights, and want precisely the opposite. For the good of everyone. The anarchy subreddit is actually pretty good and not filled with as much junk as a lot of the subreddits are.
- vbuterin 13y ago
  It depends on who you talk to; I feel like there's a sort of winding spectrum. It's something like: F A | | | | | | E B \ / \ / D------C A = Wealthy people who just want to maximize their own revenue without particular regard for ethics. Some do not support libertarianism at all, some support some aspects of it but turn around as soon as they can benefit from pollution, eminent domain or copyrights/patent privileges. B = Wealthy people who are actually libertarian to a high extent, caring about some notion of property rights, but have basically no concern for equality, corporate power, etc. C = Libertarians who also care about reducing corporate power and promoting decentralization. These people love markets and voluntary exchange, but also dislike monopolies. They tend to heavily promote 3D printing, Bitcoin, seasteading, etc. D = Left-libertarians who are fine with property rights, but seek a less market-oriented basis for society. They might like 3D printing, organic farming, urban agriculture, and perhaps also Bitcoin, though to a smaller extent since it is still money even if it does bypass the banks. E = Anti-propertarian anarchists. Buy into leftist morality (eg. "exploitation" where you benefit much more than the counterparties from an economic agreement is immoral), and are happy to expropriate capitalists. However, they are also anti-state. F = State socialists and social democrats. This experiment seems to be something like B with maybe a touch of C. A proper C-libertarian experiment would also try to provide ways for people to live with very little money (eg. by living in a small closet that would normally be illegal under occupancy limit regulations), and D-libertarian would be a commune.
  - jahaja 13y ago
    <3 the ascii art. I rather like this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Politicalquad_en.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Political... (and similar)

jahaja 13y ago

That is a great site, I have no problem with dicussion with what you would call right-wing anarchist. Even though I want to point out that I don't think it's fair to call agendas advocating property-rights and wage working anarchist as it's so far from anarchist thought.

collyw 13y ago

I think they are incredibly far apart. "Right wing anarchists" seem to want to take the trappings of capitalism, from which they have benefited immensely, and keep as much as they can to themselves. For the good of themselves. True anarchists reject capital and properly rights, and want precisely the opposite. For the good of everyone. The anarchy subreddit is actually pretty good and not filled with as much junk as a lot of the subreddits are.

vbuterin 13y ago
It depends on who you talk to; I feel like there's a sort of winding spectrum. It's something like: F A | | | | | | E B \ / \ / D------C A = Wealthy people who just want to maximize their own revenue without particular regard for ethics. Some do not support libertarianism at all, some support some aspects of it but turn around as soon as they can benefit from pollution, eminent domain or copyrights/patent privileges. B = Wealthy people who are actually libertarian to a high extent, caring about some notion of property rights, but have basically no concern for equality, corporate power, etc. C = Libertarians who also care about reducing corporate power and promoting decentralization. These people love markets and voluntary exchange, but also dislike monopolies. They tend to heavily promote 3D printing, Bitcoin, seasteading, etc. D = Left-libertarians who are fine with property rights, but seek a less market-oriented basis for society. They might like 3D printing, organic farming, urban agriculture, and perhaps also Bitcoin, though to a smaller extent since it is still money even if it does bypass the banks. E = Anti-propertarian anarchists. Buy into leftist morality (eg. "exploitation" where you benefit much more than the counterparties from an economic agreement is immoral), and are happy to expropriate capitalists. However, they are also anti-state. F = State socialists and social democrats. This experiment seems to be something like B with maybe a touch of C. A proper C-libertarian experiment would also try to provide ways for people to live with very little money (eg. by living in a small closet that would normally be illegal under occupancy limit regulations), and D-libertarian would be a commune.
- jahaja 13y ago
  <3 the ascii art. I rather like this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Politicalquad_en.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Political... (and similar)