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Ubuntu 7.10 Released

16 points by luccastera 19y ago

davidw 19y ago
Beware: http://journal.dedasys.com/articles/2007/10/14/feisty-to-gutsy-upgrade http://journal.dedasys.com/articles/2007/10/14/feisty-to-gut...
tx 19y ago
I hope new version of proprietary ATI driver made it into this release, I getting quite envious of all those lucky who's running Fusion :)
- cstejerean 19y ago
  The new version of ATI is not in the release. The version included in the release might work for you, but if it doesn't get the drivers from the ATI website (8.40), and install them yourself. If you still have problems let me know and I might be able to help you troubleshoot. I can verify that Compiz Fusion works great with ATI and Gutsy.
  - tx 19y ago
    I have Thinkpad T60p with Mobility FireGL v5250. ATI does not even have V5250 listed in their Linux drivers section, but for V5200 they want me to use version 8.35.5 of their driver.
    - cstejerean 19y ago
      That's odd, I think 8.35 or 8.37 might be the version included in the restricted drivers manager in Gutsy. Give that a shot before trying the custom driver but I've had bad luck with it on a Radeon X1300.
      - tx 19y ago
        This is what I'm running: whatever they (ATI) are saying I should on the website. And it works great, except Beryl/Compiz won't work, people said I should install XGL server first... Which seems a bit too heavy to me. And since I have very little time to experiment with my workhorse, I decided to wait for "native" support. Oh... Look what I found: http://digg.com/linux_unix/AMD_8_42_4_Display_Driver_AIGLX_Is_Here http://digg.com/linux_unix/AMD_8_42_4_Display_Driver_AIGLX_I... .... This does not include support for the FireGL series, but the workstation compatibility will be introduced next month in fglrx 8.43... It appears I need to wait a little more :-)
        cstejerean 19y ago
        Ah, yes, you need XGL, ATI does not yet support AIGLX (or the other way around). XGL works great in Gutsy, it installs easily (apt-get xserver-xgl). The problem is that OpenGL doesn't seem to work under Xgl so you either get 3D apps or a 3D desktop for now. Wait a little longer. I'd like to get off Xgl as well since it's not very stable yet.
cstejerean 19y ago
I wouldn't recommend updating. Back up your home folder and do a clean install. The good news for anyone not keeping up with Ubuntu is that you now get Compiz and AIGLX out of the box. It works great with Nvidia, if you have an ATI card you need to install XGL and the ATI proprietary drivers.
- davidw 19y ago
  The day this becomes the recommended way of upgrading Ubuntu is the day I'm going back to Debian. Operating like that has no place on a solid OS like Linux. (No need to vote cstejerean down - he was only suggesting something that he thinks works - the problem is Ubuntu and Windowsthink, if, indeed it turns out that they haven't fixed bugs that make updating difficult).
- cstejerean 19y ago
  well, someone must not have liked my response. you can update without reinstalling, Ubuntu makes that pretty easy. From experience however I've found that it works more reliably if you reinstall Ubuntu as some community supported packages can cause problems otherwise.
  - tx 19y ago
    As a veteran Windows user this is what I will do. Old habits die hard. I want to see some evidence of clean upgrade process first. :-) Seriously, as an engineer I doubt it will be easy: the success of this update procedure depends on reliable upgrade of every single component in the system: not just the kernel/drivers/gnome/etc, but things that I installed afterwards, including those that I compiled, including those that depend on kernel version. For instance I have no reason to believe that VMware will continue working. Similarly, I expect to see issues with video drivers. And finally, my friend who's been running Gutsy beta got an unbootable laptop after a series of online updates. Linux is solid software. However, all software has bugs, especially if it's forcefully put on a 6-months release cycle. There is a very good reason why you don't see new Debian releases very often.
    - 19y ago
kingnothing 19y ago
The servers are slammed, but you can grab the release through torrents in about 30 minutes. If you're updating, be sure to grab the alternate CD for your platform. http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/

16 points by luccastera 19y ago

Beware: http://journal.dedasys.com/articles/2007/10/14/feisty-to-gutsy-upgrade http://journal.dedasys.com/articles/2007/10/14/feisty-to-gut...

tx 19y ago

I hope new version of proprietary ATI driver made it into this release, I getting quite envious of all those lucky who's running Fusion :)

cstejerean 19y ago
The new version of ATI is not in the release. The version included in the release might work for you, but if it doesn't get the drivers from the ATI website (8.40), and install them yourself. If you still have problems let me know and I might be able to help you troubleshoot. I can verify that Compiz Fusion works great with ATI and Gutsy.
- tx 19y ago
  I have Thinkpad T60p with Mobility FireGL v5250. ATI does not even have V5250 listed in their Linux drivers section, but for V5200 they want me to use version 8.35.5 of their driver.
  - cstejerean 19y ago
    That's odd, I think 8.35 or 8.37 might be the version included in the restricted drivers manager in Gutsy. Give that a shot before trying the custom driver but I've had bad luck with it on a Radeon X1300.
    - tx 19y ago
      This is what I'm running: whatever they (ATI) are saying I should on the website. And it works great, except Beryl/Compiz won't work, people said I should install XGL server first... Which seems a bit too heavy to me. And since I have very little time to experiment with my workhorse, I decided to wait for "native" support. Oh... Look what I found: http://digg.com/linux_unix/AMD_8_42_4_Display_Driver_AIGLX_Is_Here http://digg.com/linux_unix/AMD_8_42_4_Display_Driver_AIGLX_I... .... This does not include support for the FireGL series, but the workstation compatibility will be introduced next month in fglrx 8.43... It appears I need to wait a little more :-)
      - cstejerean 19y ago
        Ah, yes, you need XGL, ATI does not yet support AIGLX (or the other way around). XGL works great in Gutsy, it installs easily (apt-get xserver-xgl). The problem is that OpenGL doesn't seem to work under Xgl so you either get 3D apps or a 3D desktop for now. Wait a little longer. I'd like to get off Xgl as well since it's not very stable yet.

cstejerean 19y ago

I wouldn't recommend updating. Back up your home folder and do a clean install. The good news for anyone not keeping up with Ubuntu is that you now get Compiz and AIGLX out of the box. It works great with Nvidia, if you have an ATI card you need to install XGL and the ATI proprietary drivers.

davidw 19y ago
The day this becomes the recommended way of upgrading Ubuntu is the day I'm going back to Debian. Operating like that has no place on a solid OS like Linux. (No need to vote cstejerean down - he was only suggesting something that he thinks works - the problem is Ubuntu and Windowsthink, if, indeed it turns out that they haven't fixed bugs that make updating difficult).
cstejerean 19y ago
well, someone must not have liked my response. you can update without reinstalling, Ubuntu makes that pretty easy. From experience however I've found that it works more reliably if you reinstall Ubuntu as some community supported packages can cause problems otherwise.
- tx 19y ago
  As a veteran Windows user this is what I will do. Old habits die hard. I want to see some evidence of clean upgrade process first. :-) Seriously, as an engineer I doubt it will be easy: the success of this update procedure depends on reliable upgrade of every single component in the system: not just the kernel/drivers/gnome/etc, but things that I installed afterwards, including those that I compiled, including those that depend on kernel version. For instance I have no reason to believe that VMware will continue working. Similarly, I expect to see issues with video drivers. And finally, my friend who's been running Gutsy beta got an unbootable laptop after a series of online updates. Linux is solid software. However, all software has bugs, especially if it's forcefully put on a 6-months release cycle. There is a very good reason why you don't see new Debian releases very often.
  - 19y ago

kingnothing 19y ago

The servers are slammed, but you can grab the release through torrents in about 30 minutes. If you're updating, be sure to grab the alternate CD for your platform. http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/