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You're right -- no one deserves to get paid simply for working (i.e. creating a work). But everyone deserves the opportunity to sell that work. When someone els

by chaz 13y ago

You're right -- no one deserves to get paid simply for working (i.e. creating a work). But everyone deserves the opportunity to sell that work. When someone else takes what someone does, it diminishes the value of that opportunity. Copyrights protect that opportunity.

gnaritas 13y ago
> But everyone deserves the opportunity to sell that work. We agree. > When someone else takes what someone does, it diminishes the value of that opportunity. No it doesn't, those people wouldn't have paid anyway. Copying is not theft. This is the same tired argument the MPAA's been trying to make and it's just a sign of the establishment not adjusting to the new reality that distribution is not a profitable industry anymore.
- chaz 13y ago
  > No it doesn't, those people wouldn't have paid anyway. You can't know all of the ways they will possibly make money from the content. Justin Bieber may want to charge Apple more for including vetted lyrics in iTunes. But why would Apple give Justin Bieber money when they can just copy the content from Rap Genius? Or cut a deal with Rap Genius for a feed? > distribution is not a profitable industry anymore This is where you're missing the point. You see the price as paying for distribution, but it's really about the value of the content. Historically, the two were inextricably linked by a physical medium. Now they are completely separate things with different prices and costs, and are almost unrelated to one another. Just because one goes close to zero, doesn't mean the other does, too.
  - gnaritas 13y ago
    Nor do I care about the ways people like to think up to ban other people from doing stuff. If you don't want your work copied, don't publish it. The whole copyright/patent system is a ridiculous absurdity based on the false premise that creative people require monetary incentive to do anything. When technology renders enforcement of laws impractical, then the laws are simply bad. Copying is not theft, creators are not entitled to anything, they deserve no protection for their published works at all. Art doesn't have to be a business and art will be created regardless of whether artists can profit in perpetuity from their work. The notion that ideas and words are property and can be owned is perverse doublespeak meant to trick people into transferring their gut instincts about physical property onto things that quite simply are not property. Performers should make money from performing, not being paid forever because the government created artificial monopolies on words and ideas.

by chaz 13y ago

gnaritas 13y ago

> But everyone deserves the opportunity to sell that work. We agree. > When someone else takes what someone does, it diminishes the value of that opportunity. No it doesn't, those people wouldn't have paid anyway. Copying is not theft. This is the same tired argument the MPAA's been trying to make and it's just a sign of the establishment not adjusting to the new reality that distribution is not a profitable industry anymore.

chaz 13y ago
> No it doesn't, those people wouldn't have paid anyway. You can't know all of the ways they will possibly make money from the content. Justin Bieber may want to charge Apple more for including vetted lyrics in iTunes. But why would Apple give Justin Bieber money when they can just copy the content from Rap Genius? Or cut a deal with Rap Genius for a feed? > distribution is not a profitable industry anymore This is where you're missing the point. You see the price as paying for distribution, but it's really about the value of the content. Historically, the two were inextricably linked by a physical medium. Now they are completely separate things with different prices and costs, and are almost unrelated to one another. Just because one goes close to zero, doesn't mean the other does, too.
- gnaritas 13y ago
  Nor do I care about the ways people like to think up to ban other people from doing stuff. If you don't want your work copied, don't publish it. The whole copyright/patent system is a ridiculous absurdity based on the false premise that creative people require monetary incentive to do anything. When technology renders enforcement of laws impractical, then the laws are simply bad. Copying is not theft, creators are not entitled to anything, they deserve no protection for their published works at all. Art doesn't have to be a business and art will be created regardless of whether artists can profit in perpetuity from their work. The notion that ideas and words are property and can be owned is perverse doublespeak meant to trick people into transferring their gut instincts about physical property onto things that quite simply are not property. Performers should make money from performing, not being paid forever because the government created artificial monopolies on words and ideas.