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We are working with Google right now to resolve this. They’ve been really great, helping us identify changes we need to make. As if they don't know what they d

by znowi 13y ago

We are working with Google right now to resolve this. They’ve been really great, helping us identify changes we need to make. As if they don't know what they did. These guys are toxic. I'd ban them for a year.

olalonde 13y ago
[...] to create what’s often the best search result. Poor them, they created the best lyrics site in the world, they deserve to be the first search result! /sarcasm
yeukhon 13y ago
Give them the credit for trying to resolve a problem. Are you telling me if you run a business you would never this kind of mistake? It is a good idea to explain why they did it and what they were thinking, instead of just say "damn I screwed up." I rather hear people explain to me why they did it and they now think they screw up. It is part of resolution. If you don't care about explanation (or excuse if you think that's the right erm), well, fine.
- chrismcb 13y ago
  Wasn't the first thing they said was "damn we screwed up" AND "everyone else does it?"
- ryanhuff 13y ago
  What company leadership allowed to happen shows a real disrespect for one of the primary risks to the business. Without having the explanation that you described, the two most likely explanations in my mind are either this was standard practice all along (finally got caught), or somebody made one of those epic fail business decisions. If its #1, I doubt we'll see a clear explanation. If its #2, somebody may have to fall on the sword as the "poster child" of bad business decisions.
- JoachimSchipper 13y ago
  > Are you telling me if you run a business you would never this kind of mistake? It's not that hard to, you know, not spam.
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zmitri 13y ago
Seems toxic to lay such claims without getting to know someone personally. Have they done you wrong? Perhaps you are uninterested in rap music, perhaps you believe in staunch professionalism, but at least have respect for an individual's choice to live to their life as they please. Success isn't truly success unless you do it while being yourself. There is a reason you don't have the power to ban them for a year. Rap Genius was built with love - a reflection of the founders - and is a vastly superior product. If you had ever used it, you would clearly see that. You are blinded by hate my friend.
- dkuntz2 13y ago
  I'm sorry, did they not, with "malice aforethought", blatantly disregard Google's terms. And then brag about it? And, after being called on it, issue a not-really apology that basically said "fuck you, we do what we want"?
  - zmitri 13y ago
    Are Google's terms a moral imperative? Does observation of Google's terms define who you are as a person? Are rules created by a corporation means to determine whether doing something is right or wrong? Google can do what they want, they own the rankings. But why would you personally attack someone? Is adherence to Google's terms a factor you use in judging the quality of someone's character?
    - dkuntz2 13y ago
      Considering all the parent did was call them "toxic", something I personally agree with based on everything I've read and heard about them, and that wasn't even their main point, your questions are kinda moot. No, Google's terms aren't a moral imperative, but Rap Genius' team bragging about breaking the terms and complaining when they didn't get their way doesn't make his statement of "Those guys are toxic" wrong.
      - zmitri 13y ago
        You just called a group of human beings poisonous based on stuff you've "read and heard". Think about that. Poison kills people. You've never interacted with them personally, yet you are already calling them toxic. So prior to actually analyzing the situation, you are already saying you don't care what actually happened, you don't like them anyway. Context is important, and I believe if you come into a conversation with a closed mind, it's not a conversation. That's why I don't believe those questions are moot. Do you believe Edward Snowden is toxic for breaking rules and then complaining that things didn't go his way? I feel as though I could make the same argument about him using the logic you've just presented.
newnewnew 13y ago
> "These guys are toxic. I'd ban them for a year." Wow, the hate is strong with this one.

by znowi 13y ago

olalonde 13y ago

[...] to create what’s often the best search result. Poor them, they created the best lyrics site in the world, they deserve to be the first search result! /sarcasm

yeukhon 13y ago

Give them the credit for trying to resolve a problem. Are you telling me if you run a business you would never this kind of mistake? It is a good idea to explain why they did it and what they were thinking, instead of just say "damn I screwed up." I rather hear people explain to me why they did it and they now think they screw up. It is part of resolution. If you don't care about explanation (or excuse if you think that's the right erm), well, fine.

chrismcb 13y ago
Wasn't the first thing they said was "damn we screwed up" AND "everyone else does it?"
ryanhuff 13y ago
What company leadership allowed to happen shows a real disrespect for one of the primary risks to the business. Without having the explanation that you described, the two most likely explanations in my mind are either this was standard practice all along (finally got caught), or somebody made one of those epic fail business decisions. If its #1, I doubt we'll see a clear explanation. If its #2, somebody may have to fall on the sword as the "poster child" of bad business decisions.
JoachimSchipper 13y ago
> Are you telling me if you run a business you would never this kind of mistake? It's not that hard to, you know, not spam.

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zmitri 13y ago

Seems toxic to lay such claims without getting to know someone personally. Have they done you wrong? Perhaps you are uninterested in rap music, perhaps you believe in staunch professionalism, but at least have respect for an individual's choice to live to their life as they please. Success isn't truly success unless you do it while being yourself. There is a reason you don't have the power to ban them for a year. Rap Genius was built with love - a reflection of the founders - and is a vastly superior product. If you had ever used it, you would clearly see that. You are blinded by hate my friend.

dkuntz2 13y ago
I'm sorry, did they not, with "malice aforethought", blatantly disregard Google's terms. And then brag about it? And, after being called on it, issue a not-really apology that basically said "fuck you, we do what we want"?
- zmitri 13y ago
  Are Google's terms a moral imperative? Does observation of Google's terms define who you are as a person? Are rules created by a corporation means to determine whether doing something is right or wrong? Google can do what they want, they own the rankings. But why would you personally attack someone? Is adherence to Google's terms a factor you use in judging the quality of someone's character?
  - dkuntz2 13y ago
    Considering all the parent did was call them "toxic", something I personally agree with based on everything I've read and heard about them, and that wasn't even their main point, your questions are kinda moot. No, Google's terms aren't a moral imperative, but Rap Genius' team bragging about breaking the terms and complaining when they didn't get their way doesn't make his statement of "Those guys are toxic" wrong.
    - zmitri 13y ago
      You just called a group of human beings poisonous based on stuff you've "read and heard". Think about that. Poison kills people. You've never interacted with them personally, yet you are already calling them toxic. So prior to actually analyzing the situation, you are already saying you don't care what actually happened, you don't like them anyway. Context is important, and I believe if you come into a conversation with a closed mind, it's not a conversation. That's why I don't believe those questions are moot. Do you believe Edward Snowden is toxic for breaking rules and then complaining that things didn't go his way? I feel as though I could make the same argument about him using the logic you've just presented.

newnewnew 13y ago

> "These guys are toxic. I'd ban them for a year." Wow, the hate is strong with this one.