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Age of the named culture notwithstanding, the cultures have become divergent in the last 40 years due to the Kim family as well as the extremist christian natio

Age of the named culture notwithstanding, the cultures have become divergent in the last 40 years due to the Kim family as well as the extremist christian nationalists. You make these broad generalizations about a group of people we as "the world" know very little about. Many Jews in Ukraine were supportive of the Nazi invasion due to the awful treatment received from the Russians. Iraq was a complete wreck, and America still managed to have thousands of adversaries. There are many examples of people acting irrationally in the face of "the facts" of their situation. Your border comment is colorful but misleading. You act as if the guns are cemented pointing one direction.

moocowduckquack 13y ago
Many Jews in Ukraine were supportive of the Nazi invasion I can't imagine that the honeymoon period lasted all that long, given what the Nazis did in the Ukraine. Are you a crazy person?
Turing_Machine 13y ago
What "broad generalizations" would those be? That South Korea allows people to leave if they want, while North Korea doesn't? That millions of North Koreans have been starved to death or otherwise murdered by their own government? Sorry, those are facts, your attempts to change the subject notwithstanding.
- classicsnoot 13y ago
  Good job sighting your sources. For you to just say, "i know a few Koreans" and "they are 2 thousand years old and therefore predictable" are the generalizations i mentioned. I am not arguing that NK is doing anything right. Far from it. I just happen to have some familiarity with the subject (my uncle is an adopted Korean refugee, i live in a place that is 30%+/- Korean, i can read more than a web page). It is an ugly problem, but it is the way it is now because of the US and China. Both the North and The South have had dictators and have caused unnecessary trouble to the other. As an American, i want to stay on the side of human rights and personal liberty. Through that lens, both governments are shit (...as well as US and most of Europe.)
  - Turing_Machine 13y ago
    "Good job sighting your sources." http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM Also: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Korean_peninsula_at_night.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Korean_peninsula_at_n... "Both the North and The South have had dictators and have caused unnecessary trouble to the other" The fact remains that South Koreans are allowed to leave the country, and North Koreans aren't, your attempts to spin some kind of bogus moral equivalence between "dictators" notwithstanding.
    - classicsnoot 13y ago
      So your only metric for "better" is the ability to leave? How do refugees fit into your world view? [Edit]Excellent links. So much reading to do. Thank you. If the argument of which side of Korea is Better Korea, then it is obvious that it is the South. If the argument is about which side of Korea is Best Korea, then there is no debate.

moocowduckquack 13y ago

Many Jews in Ukraine were supportive of the Nazi invasion I can't imagine that the honeymoon period lasted all that long, given what the Nazis did in the Ukraine. Are you a crazy person?

Turing_Machine 13y ago

What "broad generalizations" would those be? That South Korea allows people to leave if they want, while North Korea doesn't? That millions of North Koreans have been starved to death or otherwise murdered by their own government? Sorry, those are facts, your attempts to change the subject notwithstanding.

classicsnoot 13y ago
Good job sighting your sources. For you to just say, "i know a few Koreans" and "they are 2 thousand years old and therefore predictable" are the generalizations i mentioned. I am not arguing that NK is doing anything right. Far from it. I just happen to have some familiarity with the subject (my uncle is an adopted Korean refugee, i live in a place that is 30%+/- Korean, i can read more than a web page). It is an ugly problem, but it is the way it is now because of the US and China. Both the North and The South have had dictators and have caused unnecessary trouble to the other. As an American, i want to stay on the side of human rights and personal liberty. Through that lens, both governments are shit (...as well as US and most of Europe.)
- Turing_Machine 13y ago
  "Good job sighting your sources." http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM Also: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Korean_peninsula_at_night.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Korean_peninsula_at_n... "Both the North and The South have had dictators and have caused unnecessary trouble to the other" The fact remains that South Koreans are allowed to leave the country, and North Koreans aren't, your attempts to spin some kind of bogus moral equivalence between "dictators" notwithstanding.
  - classicsnoot 13y ago
    So your only metric for "better" is the ability to leave? How do refugees fit into your world view? [Edit]Excellent links. So much reading to do. Thank you. If the argument of which side of Korea is Better Korea, then it is obvious that it is the South. If the argument is about which side of Korea is Best Korea, then there is no debate.