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flagged for misleading title. I don't want to be lied to before I even click the link. be honest, say, "Good programmers need marketing too." Do I really wan
by pj 17y ago
flagged for misleading title. I don't want to be lied to before I even click the link. be honest, say, "Good programmers need marketing too." Do I really want to take advice from someone who is marketing their blog with a lie? This is why "good programmers" don't like marketing -- a lot of it is lies.
What good programmers need is honest marketing. What real programmers need is to learn how they can remain honest, communicate effectively with their customers, and still sell the product.
I've seen this so many times in so many organizations. The sales and marketing team write up a bunch of lies and tell the potential customers anything they need to hear to get the deal and then the programmers are put in a position to have to do impossible things. The sales people don't even know what they are selling.
If a lead asks a sales guy if product x can do function y, they say "Yes." This answer is given without regard to whether or not product x actually can do function y.
Where is the balance?
The programmers lose on the sales side, because they think the customer wants the truth and sometimes the truth is, "I don't know." Or "No, product x doesn't do function y, but if you buy product x, we'll implement function y just for you." Unfortunately, that makes the customer think the product is unfinished or hasn't been well thought out. The reality is that there are myriad functions that product x doesn't do, but can do easily but no one else has asked for it or needed it, so product x engineers focus on other things.
So that's what the programmers do, they focus on other things besides sales and marketing, they focus on making their product do whatever their customers ask them for, but every new potential customer wants the product to do some little other thing so it's an endless cycle.
What programmers need is to know how to market effectively. How to sell honestly. How to close deals.
They don't need to be lied to anymore than the customer does.
- alain94040 17y agoflagged for misleading title: I'm sorry that you missed the satirical aspect of the title, but the expression "don't need no" should have been a clear giveaway.
- req2 17y agoIn a world where jquery is about rock stars and rails is about porn stars, nothing is a clear giveaway anymore.
- OperaLover 17y agoI'm sympathetic to your concerns about deception. On the other hand, I think the title is a demonstration of the need sometimes to be "edgy" or humorous/ironic... especially with something like headlines. And, yes, your point is well-taken that that is probably not a direction where programmers are likely to head. ...even when catching the attention of other types (potential customers) might call for it. Hence the value to programmers of outsourcing the marketing process. IMHO.
- sho 17y ago" I don't want to be lied to before I even click the link." I think the word "lie" is a bit strong for your meaning. Misled, perhaps, or ill-advised. Lying means to deliberately deceive. Whatever you think of the title, there is no reason to think the author is trying to deceive you.
- Goladus 17y agoThe only change I'd recommend is quotation marks around the title.
- onreact-com 17y agoThis is so called irony not a "lie". See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony
- bowman 17y agoIt was correct, if you take into account the double-negative.