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This is a far too simplistic analysis of a multifaceted issue with no single answer. It's the kind of thing I'd expect to hear on Fox.

olefoo 13y ago
Yes. I believe it's an artefact of the popularity of the site that that type of comment is becoming more common. We've seen a noticeable increase in trolling and simplistic bias-driven comments over the past year (i.e. comments that suggest that the commenter cannot even conceive why someone might not share their viewpoint).
- chronic25 13y ago
  No.
toyg 13y ago
It's not an analysis, it's a rant, sure. BUT as an Italian, I've seen this over and over and it sickens me. Italy is one of those very few countries where for years you couldn't legally run an open wifi spot - you had to file ID cards of each and every user, and send them to the police on request. Where the early cypherpunk scene was criminalised and associated with terrorism - the police would just sequester entire servers on a whim, just to collect SSH keys and mailing lists of activists. Where authorities cracked down hard on P2P while at the same time supporting a copyright regime that is much worse than the equivalent US one (the association of publishers and music labels is legally tasked of collecting royalties and copyright-related taxes, with no oversight whatsoever on where the money actually ends up). Where law-mandated DNS blocks were pioneered. All this in a country with corruption and organised crime at levels unseen elsewhere in Europe, an economy that's been stalling for almost 20 years now, a huge anti-business bureaucracy, and gigantic public debt. It's like, "don't you have anything more urgent to worry about, rather than bothering our Net with laws so inane, even the EU will likely strike them down?" If this sounds like something out of Fox, I invite you to watch any political talk-show on Italian TV. You think Fox is bad? HA! The problem at hand is not complicated, but it's something that 1) must be solved at the European level (otherwise, why did we create a unified market?), 2) does not touch real revenues being siphoned to tax havens, which are the real problem -- does Apple sell ads or internet services? not really, but they're THE prime example of this problem, and still won't be touched by this law. It's the usual buffoonery devised by one of the worst political and economic elites in the developed world.
- raverbashing 13y ago
  Thanks for detailing this, and I agree But in Germany, open wifi spots are also a pain. A huge pain Most places won't bother. However, the problem is not opening it, it's what's done with it and who's responsible if anything is done with it (read, copyright infringement).

olefoo 13y ago

Yes. I believe it's an artefact of the popularity of the site that that type of comment is becoming more common. We've seen a noticeable increase in trolling and simplistic bias-driven comments over the past year (i.e. comments that suggest that the commenter cannot even conceive why someone might not share their viewpoint).

chronic25 13y ago
No.

toyg 13y ago

It's not an analysis, it's a rant, sure. BUT as an Italian, I've seen this over and over and it sickens me. Italy is one of those very few countries where for years you couldn't legally run an open wifi spot - you had to file ID cards of each and every user, and send them to the police on request. Where the early cypherpunk scene was criminalised and associated with terrorism - the police would just sequester entire servers on a whim, just to collect SSH keys and mailing lists of activists. Where authorities cracked down hard on P2P while at the same time supporting a copyright regime that is much worse than the equivalent US one (the association of publishers and music labels is legally tasked of collecting royalties and copyright-related taxes, with no oversight whatsoever on where the money actually ends up). Where law-mandated DNS blocks were pioneered. All this in a country with corruption and organised crime at levels unseen elsewhere in Europe, an economy that's been stalling for almost 20 years now, a huge anti-business bureaucracy, and gigantic public debt. It's like, "don't you have anything more urgent to worry about, rather than bothering our Net with laws so inane, even the EU will likely strike them down?" If this sounds like something out of Fox, I invite you to watch any political talk-show on Italian TV. You think Fox is bad? HA! The problem at hand is not complicated, but it's something that 1) must be solved at the European level (otherwise, why did we create a unified market?), 2) does not touch real revenues being siphoned to tax havens, which are the real problem -- does Apple sell ads or internet services? not really, but they're THE prime example of this problem, and still won't be touched by this law. It's the usual buffoonery devised by one of the worst political and economic elites in the developed world.

raverbashing 13y ago
Thanks for detailing this, and I agree But in Germany, open wifi spots are also a pain. A huge pain Most places won't bother. However, the problem is not opening it, it's what's done with it and who's responsible if anything is done with it (read, copyright infringement).