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Feinstein beyond reproach. She's probably too old to run again and she just won her election. She's a lame duck with a ton of power. She can take the flak I thi

Feinstein beyond reproach. She's probably too old to run again and she just won her election. She's a lame duck with a ton of power. She can take the flak I think with no repercussions. I also don't think she's lied. She's been open about her position. I don't agree with it, but I don't think she's ever misrepresented herself.

zmanian 13y ago
Feinstein's lies to the public come in the form of her "reform" bill which purports to prohibit mass surveillance but actually codifies it into law. https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=9437 https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action3/common/public/?a... She has also adopted the NSA's deceptive language that collection is not surveillance when she says the NSA is not spying on Americans.
salient 13y ago
Recalling her is the only option if she doesn't resign from the position of Chief of Senate Intelligence. She's way too dangerous in that position to be left there. No real reform of the NSA will happen with her there. I still remember how disgusted I was with her when she kept asking everyone to just end it with the debate already and just extend FISA Amendments Act until 2017, last year.
- belluchan 13y ago
  A recall will never happen. California is too big of a state, which would make a recall effort too expensive to achieve even a respectable failure, and most people don't care two shits about the NSA. If people are unhappy in California it's the governor who gets recalled, not a senator.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > A recall will never happen. True. > California is too big of a state If the size of California were an issue, it would prevent recalls of the governor, as well; the reason it will never happen has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the fact that US Senators can't be recalled.
- whyenot 13y ago
  She can not be recalled. The removal of U.S. Representatives or U.S. Senators is governed by the United States Constitution, Article 1, Sec. 5 (2), which states "Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member." The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States are removed through the process of "impeachment" which is governed by the United States Constitution. http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recalls/recall.pdf http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recalls/recall.pdf
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > Recalling her is the only option To recall a US Senator, first you have to pass an amendment to the US Constitution to make that possible. So, its not really an option.
davidgerard 13y ago
Feinstein has been like this forever, but she's in a seat where the electorate would rather vote for a Democrat that eats babies over a moderate Republican.
- belluchan 13y ago
  California elects republicans statewide all the time. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Pete Wilson, a Senator can win too. Not that I would want them to.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > California elects republicans statewide all the time. Well, California has an unusually large number of separately elected Statewide officers, but for the big three statewide offices (Governor and the two US Senators), "all the time" would be something of an exaggeration. In the last 19 years, Arnold Schwarzenegger's reelection as Governor is the only time a Republican has been elected to one of those big-3 statewide offices in a normal election. > Arnold Schwarzenegger, Arnold Schwarzenegger was first elected in a recall election which uses different procedures (an open plurality election with no primary to filter the field, with a side-by-side majority vote on the same ballot for actually recalling the incumbent -- more people voted for the incumbent Democrat to be retained than voted for the Republican Schwarzenegger to replace him.) > Pete Wilson Pete Wilson -- the last Republican elected Senator from or Governor of California, was last elected Governor 19 years ago. The political landscape has changed a bit since then. > a Senator can win too. Pete Wilson did it the last time 25 years ago. Sure, the Republicans could run a candidate that could win, but they haven't shown much propensity to do so.
- wavefunction 13y ago
  There are other Democrats out there. She has seniority in the Senate though, which is unfortunately valuable to far too many Californians.
  - discardorama 13y ago
    Honestly, I doubt that most of the voters even know what her seniority gets them.

zmanian 13y ago

Feinstein's lies to the public come in the form of her "reform" bill which purports to prohibit mass surveillance but actually codifies it into law. https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=9437 https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action3/common/public/?a... She has also adopted the NSA's deceptive language that collection is not surveillance when she says the NSA is not spying on Americans.

salient 13y ago

Recalling her is the only option if she doesn't resign from the position of Chief of Senate Intelligence. She's way too dangerous in that position to be left there. No real reform of the NSA will happen with her there. I still remember how disgusted I was with her when she kept asking everyone to just end it with the debate already and just extend FISA Amendments Act until 2017, last year.

belluchan 13y ago
A recall will never happen. California is too big of a state, which would make a recall effort too expensive to achieve even a respectable failure, and most people don't care two shits about the NSA. If people are unhappy in California it's the governor who gets recalled, not a senator.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > A recall will never happen. True. > California is too big of a state If the size of California were an issue, it would prevent recalls of the governor, as well; the reason it will never happen has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the fact that US Senators can't be recalled.
whyenot 13y ago
She can not be recalled. The removal of U.S. Representatives or U.S. Senators is governed by the United States Constitution, Article 1, Sec. 5 (2), which states "Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member." The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States are removed through the process of "impeachment" which is governed by the United States Constitution. http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recalls/recall.pdf http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/recalls/recall.pdf
dragonwriter 13y ago
> Recalling her is the only option To recall a US Senator, first you have to pass an amendment to the US Constitution to make that possible. So, its not really an option.

davidgerard 13y ago

Feinstein has been like this forever, but she's in a seat where the electorate would rather vote for a Democrat that eats babies over a moderate Republican.

belluchan 13y ago
California elects republicans statewide all the time. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Pete Wilson, a Senator can win too. Not that I would want them to.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > California elects republicans statewide all the time. Well, California has an unusually large number of separately elected Statewide officers, but for the big three statewide offices (Governor and the two US Senators), "all the time" would be something of an exaggeration. In the last 19 years, Arnold Schwarzenegger's reelection as Governor is the only time a Republican has been elected to one of those big-3 statewide offices in a normal election. > Arnold Schwarzenegger, Arnold Schwarzenegger was first elected in a recall election which uses different procedures (an open plurality election with no primary to filter the field, with a side-by-side majority vote on the same ballot for actually recalling the incumbent -- more people voted for the incumbent Democrat to be retained than voted for the Republican Schwarzenegger to replace him.) > Pete Wilson Pete Wilson -- the last Republican elected Senator from or Governor of California, was last elected Governor 19 years ago. The political landscape has changed a bit since then. > a Senator can win too. Pete Wilson did it the last time 25 years ago. Sure, the Republicans could run a candidate that could win, but they haven't shown much propensity to do so.
wavefunction 13y ago
There are other Democrats out there. She has seniority in the Senate though, which is unfortunately valuable to far too many Californians.
- discardorama 13y ago
  Honestly, I doubt that most of the voters even know what her seniority gets them.