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Modern feminists also pushed for the FBI definition of rape which is forced penetration but construed in such a way that it really only covers insertion of a pe

by aroch 13y ago

Modern feminists also pushed for the FBI definition of rape which is forced penetration but construed in such a way that it really only covers insertion of a penis. They also pushed for useless laws like rape shields which prevents the accused from addressing their accuser in the press while allowing the accusers to speak freely. They also pushed the "Dear Colleague" letter that's lowered the standard to preponderance in disciplinary hearings that strongly favors female accusers. The modern definition of rape is no longer the one espoused by second wave feminists, which I happen to agree with. Rape shouldn't be a gendered crime, but thirdwave and radical feminists don't seem to think so.

DanBC 13y ago
> Rape shouldn't be a gendered crime, Rape perpetrators are overwhelmingly male. You do realise that, right? Because without at least an acknowledgement that that vast majority of rape is carried out by men there's no point engaging with you.
- philwelch 13y ago
  That seems to be a question better suited for empirical evidence than an ideological litmus test. I'll agree it's the conventional wisdom that more men than women commit rape, and it seems likely, but the whole point of feminism is to challenge conventional wisdom when it comes to gender and to avoid excluding people's valid experiences based on their gender. The question isn't whether statistically more men than women commit rape, the question is whether men who are raped and abused by women are marginalized and systemically denied justice by a system that asserts that such acts are impossible. Judging from the experiences of male victims of abuse and rape, unfortunately it seems that they are not only denied justice but systemically oppressed.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    You make interesting points, around which a useful discussion can be had. The MRA aroch is not interested in any of that, as can be seen by their weird use of cherry picked data to make outlandish claims. I just wanted to check, and they've provided confirmation.
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- aroch 13y ago
  >Rape perpetrators are overwhelmingly male. You do realise that, right? No, they really aren't. The majority of "rapes" are institutional (meaning they happen in prisons and other custodial environments) and are perpetrated by women against women (See the Canadian prison systems 2011 report). Further, rape statistics are skewed by how rape is defined -- almost singularly as something committed by a man . In many jurisdictions, a women forcibly having sexual contact with a man is sexual assault and not rape. The '1 in 6' (or '1 in 5' depending on who says it) number of women raped is bullshit.
rmc 13y ago
Yes, all feminists are the same and it's impossible for one person/group which calls itself "feminist" to do something that other femininsts wouldn't agree to.

by aroch 13y ago

DanBC 13y ago

> Rape shouldn't be a gendered crime, Rape perpetrators are overwhelmingly male. You do realise that, right? Because without at least an acknowledgement that that vast majority of rape is carried out by men there's no point engaging with you.

philwelch 13y ago
That seems to be a question better suited for empirical evidence than an ideological litmus test. I'll agree it's the conventional wisdom that more men than women commit rape, and it seems likely, but the whole point of feminism is to challenge conventional wisdom when it comes to gender and to avoid excluding people's valid experiences based on their gender. The question isn't whether statistically more men than women commit rape, the question is whether men who are raped and abused by women are marginalized and systemically denied justice by a system that asserts that such acts are impossible. Judging from the experiences of male victims of abuse and rape, unfortunately it seems that they are not only denied justice but systemically oppressed.
- DanBC 13y ago
  You make interesting points, around which a useful discussion can be had. The MRA aroch is not interested in any of that, as can be seen by their weird use of cherry picked data to make outlandish claims. I just wanted to check, and they've provided confirmation.
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aroch 13y ago
>Rape perpetrators are overwhelmingly male. You do realise that, right? No, they really aren't. The majority of "rapes" are institutional (meaning they happen in prisons and other custodial environments) and are perpetrated by women against women (See the Canadian prison systems 2011 report). Further, rape statistics are skewed by how rape is defined -- almost singularly as something committed by a man . In many jurisdictions, a women forcibly having sexual contact with a man is sexual assault and not rape. The '1 in 6' (or '1 in 5' depending on who says it) number of women raped is bullshit.

rmc 13y ago

Yes, all feminists are the same and it's impossible for one person/group which calls itself "feminist" to do something that other femininsts wouldn't agree to.