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The correct title for the map is “Countries where employers are fined or threatened with jail time for not providing maternity leave”. Despite what our ‘enligh
by mcenedella 13y ago
The correct title for the map is “Countries where employers are fined or threatened with jail time for not providing maternity leave”.
Despite what our ‘enlightened’ friends the world over think about the dark, backwards, USA, it is not, in fact, illegal to provide paid maternity leave in the US.
This map, and the comments in this thread, support mandatory, government-backed maternity leave in the amount and style which the government believes is appropriate. Honest differences in preferences or opinions are subject to government punishment.
In the USA, we are skeptical of the benefits of the government making it a law to do mothering the way the government wants you to. We ask “Why is it noble to force people to forgo higher wages and other benefits for an in-kind contribution to a particular type of maternal care?”
The argument against government-mandated benefits has been made elsewhere in great detail. Facts, evidence, history, and common sense indicate that forcing people to consume their wages the way the government wants, in the the style the government wants, decreases the success of the overall community. That’s why every people who has ever had the chance to overthrow communism, has. And that’s why the children of all these states in Europe find that jobs are very difficult to get, and many of them, particularly the entrepreneurial ones, come to America.
Fewer rules imposed on people lead to greater growth, which leads to greater health, happiness, wealth, and longevity.
Further, there is something immoral about threatening to throw people in jail, or fine them, if they don’t do exactly what the government says on something as basic as raising your children.
To those who say that we should go ahead and follow “The Man” and be happy for these gifts, you have to realize that we are paying for the benefits, not the government, so forcing us to do it the way “they” want it, in a one-size-fits-all manner is not really a benefit to anybody.
You may say that it is only fair, or right, or just, that there be 3 months, or 12 months, or 24 months of paid maternity leave. 24/7/365 child care is bliss for many mothers — perhaps most. But for others, they may prefer to spend those dollars on better daycare, or weeklong breaks interspersed with work, or a 4-day week, or they may be just fine with working a full week and spending a more focused, quality time with their child on their days off.
Demanding that one size fits all, that the government has figured out the correct style of maternal care once and for all time, (when, it should be noted, every government legislature in the world is still majority male), and that those who disagree should be fined or thrown in jail, is not, in fact, a kind or compassionate policy, but a kind of abuse.
Incorrectly titled maps may be great for click bait, but they shouldn’t pass for deep analysis here on HackerNews.
- marquis 13y ago>Demanding that one size fits all, that the government has figured out the correct style of maternal care once and for all time The countries mandated by legislation do not force parents to take leave. As you say, many parents prefer to work part time or scatter time across a period of months/years. Legislation affords worker rights, as much as legislating fair working conditions in general is a benefit to workers. Can you give me an example of a country with a free market where workers and employers get along without legislation?
- tbrownaw 13y agoThe countries mandated by legislation do not force parents to take leave They force parents (as well as people who choose not to become parents) to pay for that leave whether they take it or not.
- marquis 13y agoI'm not a parent. But goddamn if I don't want parents to give their children the best possible early childhood that is available. If that costs me 30% of my salary, so that our society is healthy, educated, safe, well-balanced I'll pay it. Anyone who can't see that without an excellent early childhood plan in place our society is doomed is living with their head in the sand. I don't understand the vitriol on this website for parents and that legislating so that they have a chance is somehow socialist evil.
- bryanlarsen 13y agoThat leave is paid back several times over. A skilled work force is the greatest asset any country has. The first few years of life are the most important; spending money on a child for the first few years of it's life should result in significantly increased benefit to society throughout their later working life.
- yummyfajitas 13y agoIt's hardly clear that this is true. The most recent study I've seen suggests it is actually a waste of money. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2348505 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2348505 Do you have any info suggesting otherwise?