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In my opinion realizing that speciesism is wrong directly leads to veganism. I do think that it's import that point out that veganism is a mere side-product of
by nawitus 13y ago
In my opinion realizing that speciesism is wrong directly leads to veganism. I do think that it's import that point out that veganism is a mere side-product of anti-speciesism.
- rangibaby 13y agoHow is it specisist to eat things that an omnivore naturally eats in Nature?
- nawitus 13y agoAccording to Wikipedia: "Speciesism involves the assignment of different values, rights, or special consideration to individuals solely on the basis of their species membership." A non-speciesist who kills other animals to eat them would be a priori okay with killing humans to eating them.
- Nursie 13y agoSo a non-speciesist also considers every act of animal-on-animal violence in the natural world to be tantamount to murder and cannibalism?
- belorn 13y agoIn what way is Speciesism connected with canibalism by any species? But regardless, eating humans is unhealthy and thus contrary to evolution. Its the same reason why animals that live for a long time (~100) rarely have many enemies, especially if they are omnivores. Evolutionary, it is better to eat meat that do not had years to build up on heavy metals and toxins. So to put it to a simple point, regardless of the morality with cannibalism, humans would still not eat other humans. There is no -ism needed to explain why we do not eat sulfur, or drink mercury.
- PavlovsCat 13y agoIt's speciesist to treat them in a callous and reckless way, because they are considered less worthy of respect and care than humans. Primitive hunters seem to have respected their prey... just because they killed and ate them didn't mean they considered themselves above them. And from such hybris results shameful behaviour.
- Oletros 13y ago> just because they killed and ate them didn't mean they considered themselves above them Any source for the claim that "primitive hunters didn't considered themselves above animals"?
- PavlovsCat 13y agoIt's hard to prove that about times before written history, isn't it.. but there is animal worship, for one? As for written history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_status_of_animals_in_the_ancient_world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_status_of_animals_in_the_... might be a start
- Oletros 13y agoPlease, feel free to point where in that link people doesn't consider themselves above animals.
- PavlovsCat 13y agoIn the sense of being able to do whatever with them? You can read, right?
- Oletros 13y agoThat was not the sense of the OP. You can read and understand, right?
- quchen 13y agoI think there is a large transitional zone between veganism and, well, non-veganism. I don't see anything wrong with my neighbour's hobby chicken farm (of 4) for example. It's the industrialized setting, designed to be opaque to its consumers, that one should be opposed to.
- nawitus 13y agoI think the world would be a hugely better place if everyone would only eat animals from neighbours' hobby farms. That said, it's a slippery slope in practise. Usually people who argue using these special circumstances then continue to argue that "local farms" are magically ethical, because they're non-factory farms. Then in real life these people actually eat non-local meat and factory farmed meat. The point of non-speciesism is that it's not automatically ethical to eat animals even if they're not in horrendous factory farms. You're still treating non-humans in a separate ethical category. An additional point to make is that even if something appears ethical, it often is not. Usually hobby farm chickens are sourced from unethical places, for example. Of course there's no point in talking about this particular hobby chicken farm because nobody else knows anything about it.
- belorn 13y agoI reject the very idea that omnivorous diet is in any way or form connected with speciesism. As humans, we have the ability (through not uniquely) to consider the acts we do in a third-party perspective. We can think about the consequences of our actions, and how our actions will effect nature. We can think rational about fishing, hunting, and even keeping a healthy sized population of farm animals. One can respect animals while at the same time making sure that a population of fast breeding animals are kept to a size which is healthy.
- nawitus 13y ago>I reject the very idea that omnivorous diet is in any way or form connected with speciesism. It can be. If a person assigns different values depending on the species, that person is speciesist. And obviously that person's diet is affected by speciesism or lack of it. Wikipedia: "Speciesism involves the assignment of different values, rights, or special consideration to individuals solely on the basis of their species membership."
- Oletros 13y agoReally, being omnivorous has nothing to do with speciesism, being omnivorous is just a biological threat