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> You just want to blame someone other than yourself for not knowing stuff, right? I was going to reply with "I'm a customer, so why should I be expected to kn

> You just want to blame someone other than yourself for not knowing stuff, right? I was going to reply with "I'm a customer, so why should I be expected to know this?" ...but then I realized you wouldn't understand the concept, since Linux is "free", I paid $0.00 as a "customer", and therefore I should shut up because I have no right to be complaining. Right?

eikenberry 13y ago
If you don't care to know then you trust the provider to make the decisions for you. The fact that you found out you don't agree with a decision they made shouldn't really surprise you. It is unlikely that you agree with every decision they made.
- wfunction 13y ago
  > If you don't care to know then you trust the provider to make the decisions for you. Yeah, and that's also how your provider convinces you to switch to a different provider.
  - vidarh 13y ago
    If you have not paid them for support, and whine because you can't be bothered to read up on the product, why exactly do you think they'd consider that a loss?
    - trentmb 13y ago
      Perhaps because it ultimately means a smaller install base, which can make Ubuntu less attractive for developers and enterprises, as fewer users are already familiar with it.
res0nat0r 13y ago
Ahh the old "I'm a pissed off customer because you should have read my mind" routine.
- wfunction 13y ago
  Realizing customers want TRIM to be enabled doesn't exactly require you to be psychic, but I'll play along with the hyperbole and point you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_customer_is_always_right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_customer_is_always_right
  - bad_user 13y ago
    Except that: (1) you're not the customer until you pay money and since I assume you haven't paid them for support, which is available btw, you can't be the customer. (2) trim on Linux was known to cause problems with certain SSDs, not to mention for encrypted volumes (with dm-crypt, which is now offered as a painless option in Ubuntu's GUI installer) it's a security risk. For this reason, I really hope Canonical does know what they are doing, because such features are always problematic if you don't really know the hardware it will run on top of. (3) no, the customer is not always right and as proof of that fact, pick any 2 customers and marvel at their different opinions on the same topic. Obviously, trying to please everybody cannot work, ergo there is no such thing as "the customer" if by that you refer to yourself and your own opinions and that phrase is just bullshit used in marketing campaigns, as there is no company on this earth that actually believes it.
    - wfunction 13y ago
      1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6949574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6949574 2) Well that horrifies me even more 3) "there is no company on this earth that actually believes it" well I'm glad you've checked every company
    - SamReidHughes 13y ago
      Using encrypted volumes on SSD's is already a security risk without TRIM, because of the sort of information SSD firmware might store about about how blocks were written. One important piece of information would be about blocks' ages, because it's in the interest of SSD firmware to identify data which is not being frequently modified.

eikenberry 13y ago

If you don't care to know then you trust the provider to make the decisions for you. The fact that you found out you don't agree with a decision they made shouldn't really surprise you. It is unlikely that you agree with every decision they made.

wfunction 13y ago
> If you don't care to know then you trust the provider to make the decisions for you. Yeah, and that's also how your provider convinces you to switch to a different provider.
- vidarh 13y ago
  If you have not paid them for support, and whine because you can't be bothered to read up on the product, why exactly do you think they'd consider that a loss?
  - trentmb 13y ago
    Perhaps because it ultimately means a smaller install base, which can make Ubuntu less attractive for developers and enterprises, as fewer users are already familiar with it.

res0nat0r 13y ago

Ahh the old "I'm a pissed off customer because you should have read my mind" routine.

wfunction 13y ago
Realizing customers want TRIM to be enabled doesn't exactly require you to be psychic, but I'll play along with the hyperbole and point you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_customer_is_always_right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_customer_is_always_right
- bad_user 13y ago
  Except that: (1) you're not the customer until you pay money and since I assume you haven't paid them for support, which is available btw, you can't be the customer. (2) trim on Linux was known to cause problems with certain SSDs, not to mention for encrypted volumes (with dm-crypt, which is now offered as a painless option in Ubuntu's GUI installer) it's a security risk. For this reason, I really hope Canonical does know what they are doing, because such features are always problematic if you don't really know the hardware it will run on top of. (3) no, the customer is not always right and as proof of that fact, pick any 2 customers and marvel at their different opinions on the same topic. Obviously, trying to please everybody cannot work, ergo there is no such thing as "the customer" if by that you refer to yourself and your own opinions and that phrase is just bullshit used in marketing campaigns, as there is no company on this earth that actually believes it.
  - wfunction 13y ago
    1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6949574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6949574 2) Well that horrifies me even more 3) "there is no company on this earth that actually believes it" well I'm glad you've checked every company
  - SamReidHughes 13y ago
    Using encrypted volumes on SSD's is already a security risk without TRIM, because of the sort of information SSD firmware might store about about how blocks were written. One important piece of information would be about blocks' ages, because it's in the interest of SSD firmware to identify data which is not being frequently modified.