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For people who hate this article, can you please share why you hate it instead of just saying it sucks? It was meant to stir things up obviously, but I thought

For people who hate this article, can you please share why you hate it instead of just saying it sucks? It was meant to stir things up obviously, but I thought that the various points brought up were really valid.

ZeroGravitas 17y ago
I liked Fake Steve Jobs when it first came out, some of it was really harsh but funny. But I was always slightly perturbed by the "freetard" stuff which seemed out of place for a Steve Jobs parody, and whenever they came up a strangely pro-micrsoft stance appeared too. When I found out that those bits where the opinions of the real author (Dan Lyons) leaking through I found that ruined it somewhat for me.
- boucher 17y ago
  "freetard" seems pretty in character for Jobs to me.
  - look_lookatme 17y ago
    I wouldn't have a clue what Steve Jobs would think, to be honest with you. However, I can comb through the work of Lyons and see that, yes, outside of the FSJ context he harbors great, almost excessive, disdain for the free software hardcore.
    - access_denied 17y ago
      Indeed, I think he hates them because he sees his old-school world (and thereby his job-security) challenged by this, as he calls it, freetard-thing, which seems to be a blob in his mind consisting of elements from: blogs, linux, oss, free, internet, sandals, open, free. I think this is so, because when he gave a talk about his blog he stated that i got into blogging out of fear that Linux would kill old-school journalism.
adamc 17y ago
"Hate" would be too strong, but I thought it was a stupid article. What Google is releasing seems to be a Linux kernel with a new window manager running Chrome. I don't think that's nearly as difficult as he makes out. He's right that the netbook market is tiny, but it's also poorly served by existing operating systems, so it might be a reasonable place to start. And it certainly makes sense for Google to make using webapps easier, because their core business is based on all that traffic. Anyhow, the article felt to me like it was trying too hard -- lots of hyperbole but few ideas.
pavelludiq 17y ago
It uses cheap humor to badly comunicate its point, however valid it may be. So although i agree with some of the points, its my believe that at least on HN sending your message in a non trollish and reasonable(and yes, boring for a 14 year-old) way, is just as important as being rational and intelligent. Im a cynical jerk myself most of the time, but i avoid sharing my spicy personality on HN, because i KNOW that it gets in the way of good conversation, even though i don't take myself seriously(and i know the author doesn't either). See, a lot of the comments(including my two) on the submission are not about his points, but about his controversial delivery, and THAT is not good for HN.
akkartik 17y ago
The biggest point in my mind: "You also may not have noticed, but nobody uses Chrome. I mean think about it. Do you know anyone who uses Chrome? Really?" Aside from the stat-based argument (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=694756 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=694756): I've been repeatedly surprised by the non-technical people around me who are on Chrome. My girlfriend downloaded it literally the day it came out, when I had read just a blog post or two about it. My parents, various friends' parents, the list just goes on and on, and none of them are nerds. It's startling how effortlessly Chrome has permeated public consciousness. I don't hate the article, but I think fake steve jobs has jumped the shark.
- redcap 17y ago
  It still has a pretty mediocre takeup rate, regardless of the people around you that are using it. The latest stats I've seen (posted on HN) have been that Chrome is less used than Safari. FF seems to be the bigger winner at the cost of IE.
  - akkartik 17y ago
    Dude, how long has each been around to grab marketshare? Chrome is absolutely meteoric when you divide by time.
  - axod 17y ago
    FWIW, Chrome usage on Mibbit is already above Safari, Opera, and above IE6 and IE7. Chrome usage is growing at an astounding rate in the 'webapp' world. Wouldn't be surprised if it overtakes IE8 soon.
- Gibbon 17y ago
  Behold.. What is a Browser? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ&feature=relat... Most people don't have the slighest clue what a browser is, nevermind an opinion about them.
  - akkartik 17y ago
freetard 17y ago
Valid? This sounds like a bad immitation of linuxhater, at least linuxhater gets his facts right: "Linux still doesn't run right." BS, his own blog runs on linux. "Chrome is shit?" BS, Safari copied every single innovation of chrome. "Nobody uses Chrome?" Lol, chrome is almost beating Safari already. "Netbook sucks." Who cares, Chrome will start up on netbooks and go all the way up to desktops. They have to start somewhere and starting on a niche such as netbook is a good idea. "Operatin system are hard to build." The GCOS is based on linux, 19 year old now, not to mention the gcc and glibc so almost 30 year old. And chrome already rocks.
- Elepsis 17y ago
  Point by point: - He said Linux doesn't run right on the desktop. - And Chrome copied every innovation of Firefox. And Firefox copied every innovation of Opera. Etc. - And together they add up to less of the web's users than IE6, sadly. - You don't know that. - I'm done feeding the troll.

ZeroGravitas 17y ago

I liked Fake Steve Jobs when it first came out, some of it was really harsh but funny. But I was always slightly perturbed by the "freetard" stuff which seemed out of place for a Steve Jobs parody, and whenever they came up a strangely pro-micrsoft stance appeared too. When I found out that those bits where the opinions of the real author (Dan Lyons) leaking through I found that ruined it somewhat for me.

boucher 17y ago
"freetard" seems pretty in character for Jobs to me.
- look_lookatme 17y ago
  I wouldn't have a clue what Steve Jobs would think, to be honest with you. However, I can comb through the work of Lyons and see that, yes, outside of the FSJ context he harbors great, almost excessive, disdain for the free software hardcore.
  - access_denied 17y ago
    Indeed, I think he hates them because he sees his old-school world (and thereby his job-security) challenged by this, as he calls it, freetard-thing, which seems to be a blob in his mind consisting of elements from: blogs, linux, oss, free, internet, sandals, open, free. I think this is so, because when he gave a talk about his blog he stated that i got into blogging out of fear that Linux would kill old-school journalism.

adamc 17y ago

"Hate" would be too strong, but I thought it was a stupid article. What Google is releasing seems to be a Linux kernel with a new window manager running Chrome. I don't think that's nearly as difficult as he makes out. He's right that the netbook market is tiny, but it's also poorly served by existing operating systems, so it might be a reasonable place to start. And it certainly makes sense for Google to make using webapps easier, because their core business is based on all that traffic. Anyhow, the article felt to me like it was trying too hard -- lots of hyperbole but few ideas.

pavelludiq 17y ago

It uses cheap humor to badly comunicate its point, however valid it may be. So although i agree with some of the points, its my believe that at least on HN sending your message in a non trollish and reasonable(and yes, boring for a 14 year-old) way, is just as important as being rational and intelligent. Im a cynical jerk myself most of the time, but i avoid sharing my spicy personality on HN, because i KNOW that it gets in the way of good conversation, even though i don't take myself seriously(and i know the author doesn't either). See, a lot of the comments(including my two) on the submission are not about his points, but about his controversial delivery, and THAT is not good for HN.

akkartik 17y ago

The biggest point in my mind: "You also may not have noticed, but nobody uses Chrome. I mean think about it. Do you know anyone who uses Chrome? Really?" Aside from the stat-based argument (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=694756 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=694756): I've been repeatedly surprised by the non-technical people around me who are on Chrome. My girlfriend downloaded it literally the day it came out, when I had read just a blog post or two about it. My parents, various friends' parents, the list just goes on and on, and none of them are nerds. It's startling how effortlessly Chrome has permeated public consciousness. I don't hate the article, but I think fake steve jobs has jumped the shark.

redcap 17y ago
It still has a pretty mediocre takeup rate, regardless of the people around you that are using it. The latest stats I've seen (posted on HN) have been that Chrome is less used than Safari. FF seems to be the bigger winner at the cost of IE.
- akkartik 17y ago
  Dude, how long has each been around to grab marketshare? Chrome is absolutely meteoric when you divide by time.
- axod 17y ago
  FWIW, Chrome usage on Mibbit is already above Safari, Opera, and above IE6 and IE7. Chrome usage is growing at an astounding rate in the 'webapp' world. Wouldn't be surprised if it overtakes IE8 soon.
Gibbon 17y ago
Behold.. What is a Browser? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ&feature=relat... Most people don't have the slighest clue what a browser is, nevermind an opinion about them.
- akkartik 17y ago

freetard 17y ago

Valid? This sounds like a bad immitation of linuxhater, at least linuxhater gets his facts right: "Linux still doesn't run right." BS, his own blog runs on linux. "Chrome is shit?" BS, Safari copied every single innovation of chrome. "Nobody uses Chrome?" Lol, chrome is almost beating Safari already. "Netbook sucks." Who cares, Chrome will start up on netbooks and go all the way up to desktops. They have to start somewhere and starting on a niche such as netbook is a good idea. "Operatin system are hard to build." The GCOS is based on linux, 19 year old now, not to mention the gcc and glibc so almost 30 year old. And chrome already rocks.

Elepsis 17y ago
Point by point: - He said Linux doesn't run right on the desktop. - And Chrome copied every innovation of Firefox. And Firefox copied every innovation of Opera. Etc. - And together they add up to less of the web's users than IE6, sadly. - You don't know that. - I'm done feeding the troll.