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There's quite a lot more in the original article, if you read German (or use Google Translate): http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/spionage-skandal/jacob-appelbaum

by TillE 13y ago

There's quite a lot more in the original article, if you read German (or use Google Translate): http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/spionage-skandal/jacob-appelbaum-zur-ueberwachung--eine-taktik-der-zersetzung-,23568638,25682272.html http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/spionage-skandal/jacob-appelb...

Argorak 13y ago
Try to read this, even if using Google Translate. The most important parts: a) he cites a whole chain of events, like unknown people claiming they have been allowed entrance into his apartment by the landlord. (which is illegal in germany, btw.) b) an interesting part where Applebaum does take a step back and reflects on his very own claims and the possibilty of reading too much into the chain of weird incidents. He describes that to combat that, he has a notebook to note down facts as they happen.
PavlovsCat 13y ago
I feel shit just reading this. Imagine being the TARGET of such harrassment (by people, who, theoretically, have no qualms about murder), and still being able to laugh. Could you? -- translated snippet follows: On the 10th of October two women tried to get into my flat. They claimed that house management had given them the keys for a viewing, because they wanted to rent the flat. I called the house management - they knew of nothing and hadn't given out any keys. Q: And that couldn't just have been a misunderstanding? Yes, but ten days later there was another incident of someone messing around with my apartment door, at 3 o clock in the morning. Six days later the same. On the 11th of November a visitor noticed that persons in front of the house took notes about people going in and out. Sometimes there were people walking on the roof, but I've been told that's not unusual in Berlin (laughs). -- edit: very end of the article: > "We should never give up our hope. To have hope is a matter of dignity. I grew up in the 80s. For me there was a time in which I lived without total surveillance. About 10 years ago that changed. There are now people who only ever lived under total surveillance - and who will never know anything else, if we don't nip these tendencies in the bud. I now could say, I belong to the last generation born in freedom. But I am convinced that every generation - ours and all after us - has the possibility to push the surveillance state back, and to regain freedom. We should never be persuaded that we have no way to act. We decide anew every day. This ability to begin is the foundation of our freedom."
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rurban 13y ago
Interesting interview: - He obviously speaks german now quite fluently, so I assume he will stay in Berlin, in a much safer country. - Obviously the CIA still tries to get hands on the Snowden data to know how much and what exactly the journalists have, to be prepared. So they still don't have this information. This could eventually lead to better NSA reforms, as they still have to fear the worst.
- knapp 13y ago
  He obviously speaks german now quite fluently How do you know he wasn't interviewed in English and his answers translated?
- TillE 13y ago
  > He obviously speaks german now quite fluently I don't think so, it's probably a translation of an interview conducted in English. Based on what I've seen of him in videos just a couple months ago, he's learning a bit (he did use and mispronounce the word Zersetzung), but probably nowhere near fluency by now. He applied for a residence permit, but I'm not sure if he has it yet. It's kind of interesting that he and Laura Poitras and a few others have all wound up in Berlin. Obviously it's no perfect sanctuary, but it's probably still one of the safest places to be for people doing this kind of work.
  - Riiis 13y ago
    Why is this, when forces working with the German government itself can apparently swoop in unannounced? How is there any advantage to living in Germany? I'm genuinely interested in understanding.
  - grey-area 13y ago
    Riiis you have been hellbanned. Contact admins and perhaps ask them what rule exactly you contravened with this one comment - the hellbanning system here is truly kafkian!
    - SamReidHughes 13y ago

by TillE 13y ago

Argorak 13y ago

Try to read this, even if using Google Translate. The most important parts: a) he cites a whole chain of events, like unknown people claiming they have been allowed entrance into his apartment by the landlord. (which is illegal in germany, btw.) b) an interesting part where Applebaum does take a step back and reflects on his very own claims and the possibilty of reading too much into the chain of weird incidents. He describes that to combat that, he has a notebook to note down facts as they happen.

PavlovsCat 13y ago

I feel shit just reading this. Imagine being the TARGET of such harrassment (by people, who, theoretically, have no qualms about murder), and still being able to laugh. Could you? -- translated snippet follows: On the 10th of October two women tried to get into my flat. They claimed that house management had given them the keys for a viewing, because they wanted to rent the flat. I called the house management - they knew of nothing and hadn't given out any keys. Q: And that couldn't just have been a misunderstanding? Yes, but ten days later there was another incident of someone messing around with my apartment door, at 3 o clock in the morning. Six days later the same. On the 11th of November a visitor noticed that persons in front of the house took notes about people going in and out. Sometimes there were people walking on the roof, but I've been told that's not unusual in Berlin (laughs). -- edit: very end of the article: > "We should never give up our hope. To have hope is a matter of dignity. I grew up in the 80s. For me there was a time in which I lived without total surveillance. About 10 years ago that changed. There are now people who only ever lived under total surveillance - and who will never know anything else, if we don't nip these tendencies in the bud. I now could say, I belong to the last generation born in freedom. But I am convinced that every generation - ours and all after us - has the possibility to push the surveillance state back, and to regain freedom. We should never be persuaded that we have no way to act. We decide anew every day. This ability to begin is the foundation of our freedom."

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rurban 13y ago

Interesting interview: - He obviously speaks german now quite fluently, so I assume he will stay in Berlin, in a much safer country. - Obviously the CIA still tries to get hands on the Snowden data to know how much and what exactly the journalists have, to be prepared. So they still don't have this information. This could eventually lead to better NSA reforms, as they still have to fear the worst.

knapp 13y ago
He obviously speaks german now quite fluently How do you know he wasn't interviewed in English and his answers translated?
TillE 13y ago
> He obviously speaks german now quite fluently I don't think so, it's probably a translation of an interview conducted in English. Based on what I've seen of him in videos just a couple months ago, he's learning a bit (he did use and mispronounce the word Zersetzung), but probably nowhere near fluency by now. He applied for a residence permit, but I'm not sure if he has it yet. It's kind of interesting that he and Laura Poitras and a few others have all wound up in Berlin. Obviously it's no perfect sanctuary, but it's probably still one of the safest places to be for people doing this kind of work.
- Riiis 13y ago
  Why is this, when forces working with the German government itself can apparently swoop in unannounced? How is there any advantage to living in Germany? I'm genuinely interested in understanding.
- grey-area 13y ago
  Riiis you have been hellbanned. Contact admins and perhaps ask them what rule exactly you contravened with this one comment - the hellbanning system here is truly kafkian!
  - SamReidHughes 13y ago