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nobody said that western countries don't have prisoners of conscience or laws which would make them. Aaron Swartz. Chelsea Manning. Or look at Animal and Ecolog

nobody said that western countries don't have prisoners of conscience or laws which would make them. Aaron Swartz. Chelsea Manning. Or look at Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act laws. ...

Mikeb85 13y ago
Vandalizing private property and hate speech have nothing to do with conscience... It's a piss poor justification... Just like people who bomb pipelines and spray paint swastikas on synagogues. Belief doesn't make a wrong a right...
- VladRussian2 13y ago
  >Vandalizing private property and hate speech have nothing to do with conscience... It has nothing to do with Pussy Riot. You're talking out of your a##. > Just like people who bomb pipelines and spray paint swastikas on synagogues. the same - it has nothing to do with Pussy Riot.
  - Mikeb85 13y ago
    Really? They committed a crime using the same type of justification as eco-terrorists and racists use. The only difference is the social 'acceptability' of each 'belief'. ie. it's ok to insult Christians but not Jews...
    - VladRussian2 13y ago
      >the same type of justification as eco-terrorists and racists use. former promote co-existence while latter - exclusion. How can you even put them together in one sentence? > The only difference is the social 'acceptability' of each 'belief'. ie. it's ok to insult Christians but not Jews... Russian Orthodox church going out of its way politically supporting Putin (and immensely benefiting from that financially and politically) isn't a doing of Jesus work, and challenging the church on that isn't an assault on Christianity.
      - Mikeb85 13y ago
        > former promote co-existence while latter - exclusion. How can you even put them together in one sentence? It has nothing to do with what each supports - rather that you can't justify harmful behaviour, period. > Russian Orthodox church going out of its way politically supporting Putin (and immensely benefiting from that financially and politically) isn't a doing of Jesus work, and challenging the church on that isn't an assault on Christianity. Challenging the church regarding their supposed support of Putin isn't the problem, using it as a justification for illegal behaviour is. What Pussy Riot did would be illegal in pretty much every reasonably civilized country in the world. In Canada, people spray painting political graffiti on a synagogue is a crime, even if the content of the graffiti isn't necessarily insulting to Judaism. The point is that you can't arbitrarily allow some types of crime, and disallow others based on the ideology behind it...
        VladRussian2 13y ago
        >It has nothing to do with what each supports - rather that you can't justify harmful behaviour, period. what harm is coming from "eco-terrorists"? Lesser availability of whale meat? I doubt whales would see it as a harm. Or people who worked for decades to restore whales population. Or people who are just disgusted by whale killings. >What Pussy Riot did would be illegal in pretty much every reasonably civilized country in the world. i'm wondering what do you think they did? Do you seriously think that tresspassing and non-violent disturbance of peace - the minor crimes in reasonably civilized countries - are the "2 year in prison" crimes in Russia? Or calling upon God to chase away a President is a crime "in pretty much every reasonably civilized country in the world"? > The point is that you can't arbitrarily allow some types of crime, and disallow others based on the ideology behind it... You seem to be saying that no illegal behaviour can be justified. Well, you've mentioned swastikas and Judaism before. That reminds about the most known and indisputable today example when illegal behavior was rightly justified - i.e doing right thing toward Jews for example was illegal in Nazi Germany and doing legal thing was terribly wrong.
        Mikeb85 13y ago
        > what harm is coming from "eco-terrorists"? Lesser availability of whale meat? You know, things like harm to property and people... Eco terrorism isn't just whale protests. Here they bomb pipelines... > i'm wondering what do you think they did? Do you seriously think that tresspassing and non-violent disturbance of peace - the minor crimes in reasonably civilized countries - are the "2 year in prison" crimes in Russia? What they did and said qualifies as hate speech here, so yes 2 years would be within the scope of the law. > That reminds about the most known and indisputable today example when illegal behavior was rightly justified - i.e doing right thing toward Jews for example was illegal in Nazi Germany and doing legal thing was terribly wrong. Really? I mean really? The laws are hardly unfair in this case...

nobody said that western countries don't have prisoners of conscience or laws which would make them. Aaron Swartz. Chelsea Manning. Or look at Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act laws. ...

Mikeb85 13y ago

Vandalizing private property and hate speech have nothing to do with conscience... It's a piss poor justification... Just like people who bomb pipelines and spray paint swastikas on synagogues. Belief doesn't make a wrong a right...

VladRussian2 13y ago
>Vandalizing private property and hate speech have nothing to do with conscience... It has nothing to do with Pussy Riot. You're talking out of your a##. > Just like people who bomb pipelines and spray paint swastikas on synagogues. the same - it has nothing to do with Pussy Riot.
- Mikeb85 13y ago
  Really? They committed a crime using the same type of justification as eco-terrorists and racists use. The only difference is the social 'acceptability' of each 'belief'. ie. it's ok to insult Christians but not Jews...
  - VladRussian2 13y ago
    >the same type of justification as eco-terrorists and racists use. former promote co-existence while latter - exclusion. How can you even put them together in one sentence? > The only difference is the social 'acceptability' of each 'belief'. ie. it's ok to insult Christians but not Jews... Russian Orthodox church going out of its way politically supporting Putin (and immensely benefiting from that financially and politically) isn't a doing of Jesus work, and challenging the church on that isn't an assault on Christianity.
    - Mikeb85 13y ago
      > former promote co-existence while latter - exclusion. How can you even put them together in one sentence? It has nothing to do with what each supports - rather that you can't justify harmful behaviour, period. > Russian Orthodox church going out of its way politically supporting Putin (and immensely benefiting from that financially and politically) isn't a doing of Jesus work, and challenging the church on that isn't an assault on Christianity. Challenging the church regarding their supposed support of Putin isn't the problem, using it as a justification for illegal behaviour is. What Pussy Riot did would be illegal in pretty much every reasonably civilized country in the world. In Canada, people spray painting political graffiti on a synagogue is a crime, even if the content of the graffiti isn't necessarily insulting to Judaism. The point is that you can't arbitrarily allow some types of crime, and disallow others based on the ideology behind it...
      - VladRussian2 13y ago
        >It has nothing to do with what each supports - rather that you can't justify harmful behaviour, period. what harm is coming from "eco-terrorists"? Lesser availability of whale meat? I doubt whales would see it as a harm. Or people who worked for decades to restore whales population. Or people who are just disgusted by whale killings. >What Pussy Riot did would be illegal in pretty much every reasonably civilized country in the world. i'm wondering what do you think they did? Do you seriously think that tresspassing and non-violent disturbance of peace - the minor crimes in reasonably civilized countries - are the "2 year in prison" crimes in Russia? Or calling upon God to chase away a President is a crime "in pretty much every reasonably civilized country in the world"? > The point is that you can't arbitrarily allow some types of crime, and disallow others based on the ideology behind it... You seem to be saying that no illegal behaviour can be justified. Well, you've mentioned swastikas and Judaism before. That reminds about the most known and indisputable today example when illegal behavior was rightly justified - i.e doing right thing toward Jews for example was illegal in Nazi Germany and doing legal thing was terribly wrong.
        Mikeb85 13y ago
        > what harm is coming from "eco-terrorists"? Lesser availability of whale meat? You know, things like harm to property and people... Eco terrorism isn't just whale protests. Here they bomb pipelines... > i'm wondering what do you think they did? Do you seriously think that tresspassing and non-violent disturbance of peace - the minor crimes in reasonably civilized countries - are the "2 year in prison" crimes in Russia? What they did and said qualifies as hate speech here, so yes 2 years would be within the scope of the law. > That reminds about the most known and indisputable today example when illegal behavior was rightly justified - i.e doing right thing toward Jews for example was illegal in Nazi Germany and doing legal thing was terribly wrong. Really? I mean really? The laws are hardly unfair in this case...