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Google and other companies are violating traffic laws repeatedly by illegally parking in a public bus stop. How could you forget to mention this important fact

by yapcguy 13y ago

Google and other companies are violating traffic laws repeatedly by illegally parking in a public bus stop. How could you forget to mention this important fact? By your logic, every single person who pays local taxes should just go on a bender and do whatever they want to the city, to hell with the rules eh? Why is it okay for corporations but not individuals to disrupt and fuck things up?

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- nowarninglabel 13y ago
  Really? Disappointing comment from you. Care to make a wager, how about just for $100, of course you'll lay me 99 to 1 odds given your certain right? There's been several local papers that have reported they don't have permission (e.g., http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Google-riders-under-siege-or-alien-5065290.php http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Google-riders-under-si... ) and talking to a Muni driver he indicated they don't have permission. If you're willing to take the bet though, I know one of the PR guys over at MUNI who I could get a hold of to provide us a definitive answer.
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    - nowarninglabel 13y ago
      It's right there, did you not read it? "Currently, those buses are using Muni stops without permission and without paying a cent." I just want to edit this to say, I'm really disappointed in you. I had a lot of respect for your comments, but you don't bother to even read a reply and post a sarcastic response, just very disappointing.
      - nowarninglabel 13y ago
        And since jrockway deleted his comment where he was "99.9% sure that Google has permission", without any evidence of course, and then when presented with evidence, doesn't even read it and posts a sarcastic response to a youtube video, I'll take the time to note here, there is plenty more news out there reporting the same thing, that Google does not have permission, this doesn't mean they don't have some hidden deal hence why I still think it'd be valuable to get a MUNI spokesman to comment on the matter, but you can see in the archives of their meeting there are numerous mentions of citizens questioning if Google has permission: http://archives.sfmta.com/cms/cmta/httpwww.sfmta.comcmscmtaSFMTABoardSept.92011minutes.htm http://archives.sfmta.com/cms/cmta/httpwww.sfmta.comcmscmtaS... http://archives.sfmta.com/cms/cmta/SFMTABoardNovember62007minutes.htm http://archives.sfmta.com/cms/cmta/SFMTABoardNovember62007mi... etc...
        jrockway 13y ago
        Hey, I agree with you. I don't live in San Francisco. I don't live in California. I don't even live on the West Coast. I don't work for Google's transportation team. I don't work for Muni. Why am I even commenting? More speculation isn't helping anything in this already overheated thread. I did like my sarcastic YouTube link, though. In that respect, I regret nothing :)
        nowarninglabel 13y ago
        Thanks for your reply. As someone who does live in San Francisco, and has lived here for a decade, I would like to encourage discussion of this topic, as I think both sides of the issue can be doing more talking about solutions, rather than the tech world which is mostly ignoring the problem, and the protestors whom don't have a clear message or agenda outlined.
        jrockway 13y ago
        Sure. What is the problem for residents? In my experience, cities are basically vehicle chaos from 6AM until 11PM. Taxis unload in the bike lane. Black cars block the street waiting for their flaky passenger. UPS trucks, parked six-abreast, unload Amazon Prime packages. Traffic blocks the intersection as the light turns red, and much honking ensues. Crazy homeless guy pushes his cart of possessions the wrong way down the bike lane. Certainly, having big buses pulling in and out of traffic doesn't help speed up the flow of traffic at that precise instant in time. But the situation was already pretty bad, and if you're taking hundreds of individual cars off the road, that's a step in the right direction. (Public transit won't work because the jobs are all in the Middle Of Fucking Nowhere. Try walking to the Google campus some time. It's in the middle of a swamp, separated from the mainland by a jam-packed freeway.) So I'm not sure what the solution is. Move Google to San Francisco? Sure. But then the protesters are going to complain about how they watched 5 N trains go by without stopping because they're full. San Francisco was never designed to be "the big city" (that's San Jose, right?), it organically grew. People liked it a lot, they moved there, and now there are too many people that want to live there, and not enough space for them. That's a problem, but it sounds like a problem that can only be solved by not wanting to live there.
tptacek 13y ago
You really think this makes the situation sound better for the protesters? "They were parked illegally"? So get the city to write them a fucking parking ticket. I'm sure Oakland could use the revenue.
- kro0ub 13y ago
  > So get the city to If getting your municipal government to act on your behalf was so simple, do you really think they would be resorting to smashing windows? You're so blind, dude.
  - tptacek 13y ago
    Yes, a much better idea for us to be governed by people who solve problems by smashing windows with rocks.
    - kro0ub 13y ago
      Again, way to totally miss the point. Whether or not the smashing is justified is a much larger discussion, though largely irrelevant to establishing your repeated evasiveness. So let's say for this point's sake that it absolutely isn't justified, under any circumstances. Does my point not still stand? Your suggestion to the window smashers was to "get the city to write them a fucking parking ticket". I asked you why you think they would be engaging in the tactics that they are engaging in if that were any sort of viable channel through which to have their grievances addressed. As far as I can tell, you've done nothing to address my question, and your suggestion to the protesters remains invalid and meaningless. I think you should retract your condemnation of them, since so far you've been unable to propose a realistic alternative.
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by yapcguy 13y ago

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nowarninglabel 13y ago
Really? Disappointing comment from you. Care to make a wager, how about just for $100, of course you'll lay me 99 to 1 odds given your certain right? There's been several local papers that have reported they don't have permission (e.g., http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Google-riders-under-siege-or-alien-5065290.php http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Google-riders-under-si... ) and talking to a Muni driver he indicated they don't have permission. If you're willing to take the bet though, I know one of the PR guys over at MUNI who I could get a hold of to provide us a definitive answer.
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  - nowarninglabel 13y ago
    It's right there, did you not read it? "Currently, those buses are using Muni stops without permission and without paying a cent." I just want to edit this to say, I'm really disappointed in you. I had a lot of respect for your comments, but you don't bother to even read a reply and post a sarcastic response, just very disappointing.
    - nowarninglabel 13y ago
      And since jrockway deleted his comment where he was "99.9% sure that Google has permission", without any evidence of course, and then when presented with evidence, doesn't even read it and posts a sarcastic response to a youtube video, I'll take the time to note here, there is plenty more news out there reporting the same thing, that Google does not have permission, this doesn't mean they don't have some hidden deal hence why I still think it'd be valuable to get a MUNI spokesman to comment on the matter, but you can see in the archives of their meeting there are numerous mentions of citizens questioning if Google has permission: http://archives.sfmta.com/cms/cmta/httpwww.sfmta.comcmscmtaSFMTABoardSept.92011minutes.htm http://archives.sfmta.com/cms/cmta/httpwww.sfmta.comcmscmtaS... http://archives.sfmta.com/cms/cmta/SFMTABoardNovember62007minutes.htm http://archives.sfmta.com/cms/cmta/SFMTABoardNovember62007mi... etc...
      - jrockway 13y ago
        Hey, I agree with you. I don't live in San Francisco. I don't live in California. I don't even live on the West Coast. I don't work for Google's transportation team. I don't work for Muni. Why am I even commenting? More speculation isn't helping anything in this already overheated thread. I did like my sarcastic YouTube link, though. In that respect, I regret nothing :)
        nowarninglabel 13y ago
        Thanks for your reply. As someone who does live in San Francisco, and has lived here for a decade, I would like to encourage discussion of this topic, as I think both sides of the issue can be doing more talking about solutions, rather than the tech world which is mostly ignoring the problem, and the protestors whom don't have a clear message or agenda outlined.
        jrockway 13y ago
        Sure. What is the problem for residents? In my experience, cities are basically vehicle chaos from 6AM until 11PM. Taxis unload in the bike lane. Black cars block the street waiting for their flaky passenger. UPS trucks, parked six-abreast, unload Amazon Prime packages. Traffic blocks the intersection as the light turns red, and much honking ensues. Crazy homeless guy pushes his cart of possessions the wrong way down the bike lane. Certainly, having big buses pulling in and out of traffic doesn't help speed up the flow of traffic at that precise instant in time. But the situation was already pretty bad, and if you're taking hundreds of individual cars off the road, that's a step in the right direction. (Public transit won't work because the jobs are all in the Middle Of Fucking Nowhere. Try walking to the Google campus some time. It's in the middle of a swamp, separated from the mainland by a jam-packed freeway.) So I'm not sure what the solution is. Move Google to San Francisco? Sure. But then the protesters are going to complain about how they watched 5 N trains go by without stopping because they're full. San Francisco was never designed to be "the big city" (that's San Jose, right?), it organically grew. People liked it a lot, they moved there, and now there are too many people that want to live there, and not enough space for them. That's a problem, but it sounds like a problem that can only be solved by not wanting to live there.

tptacek 13y ago

You really think this makes the situation sound better for the protesters? "They were parked illegally"? So get the city to write them a fucking parking ticket. I'm sure Oakland could use the revenue.

kro0ub 13y ago
> So get the city to If getting your municipal government to act on your behalf was so simple, do you really think they would be resorting to smashing windows? You're so blind, dude.
- tptacek 13y ago
  Yes, a much better idea for us to be governed by people who solve problems by smashing windows with rocks.
  - kro0ub 13y ago
    Again, way to totally miss the point. Whether or not the smashing is justified is a much larger discussion, though largely irrelevant to establishing your repeated evasiveness. So let's say for this point's sake that it absolutely isn't justified, under any circumstances. Does my point not still stand? Your suggestion to the window smashers was to "get the city to write them a fucking parking ticket". I asked you why you think they would be engaging in the tactics that they are engaging in if that were any sort of viable channel through which to have their grievances addressed. As far as I can tell, you've done nothing to address my question, and your suggestion to the protesters remains invalid and meaningless. I think you should retract your condemnation of them, since so far you've been unable to propose a realistic alternative.
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