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If they're rational agents, then they should understand the results of the iterated prisoner's dilemma, and understand that screwing people over doesn't pay, re

If they're rational agents, then they should understand the results of the iterated prisoner's dilemma, and understand that screwing people over doesn't pay, remorse or no remorse.

stormbrew 13y ago
Aside from the fact that life isn't a restricted theoretical game theory puzzle and rational doesn't mean educated (thus aware of prisoner's dilemma), this would assume that the people they're screwing over are also rational actors and are capable of cooperating.
- chrischen 13y ago
  You don't have to be aware of the iterated prisoner's dilemma. My point is that as a psychopath screwing people over, you should realize that this strategy is suboptimal. You will lose out to people who do cooperate.
  - JanezStupar 13y ago
    Oh, psychopath will play your prisoners dilemma. He WILL be the one to talk you into cooperation. He will not attack you in public unless he has public on his side. Thats what makes a psychopath so horrible. He will fuck you over then he will convince everybody else that you fucked him over. Psychopaths are Varelse in emotional sense.
    - chrischen 13y ago
      He fucks you over and that is eventually a non-cooperation in an even bigger iterated prisoner's dilemma game. Unless you willingly let him fuck you in the ass again, then his psychopathic strategy will no longer work on you, and you will at least not cooperate, and possibly retaliate resulting in a net loss. In fact, this is extremely likely because it's in your incentive now to disincentivize him from further fucking you because you want to send the proper signal.
im3w1l 13y ago
Iterated prisoner's dilemma is a highly idealized model.
- chrischen 13y ago
  How so?
  - im3w1l 13y ago
    For starters, it is a two player game. Secondly it will not always be crystal clear that you chose "defect" to your coplayers in the real world, since actions are subject to interpretation. Third, the real world is not a game of perfect information.
    - chrischen 13y ago
      It is clear that you chose "defect" in the real world.. over time. It is in fact theoretically impossible to escape this consequence as time approaches infinity. Think about it, you are constantly leaving traces of you "defecting" and not leaving traces of not defecting. Eventually this catches up. This is also an example of the principle of karma, aka cause and effect. You can't escape fundamental effects of causes forever.

If they're rational agents, then they should understand the results of the iterated prisoner's dilemma, and understand that screwing people over doesn't pay, remorse or no remorse.

stormbrew 13y ago

Aside from the fact that life isn't a restricted theoretical game theory puzzle and rational doesn't mean educated (thus aware of prisoner's dilemma), this would assume that the people they're screwing over are also rational actors and are capable of cooperating.

chrischen 13y ago
You don't have to be aware of the iterated prisoner's dilemma. My point is that as a psychopath screwing people over, you should realize that this strategy is suboptimal. You will lose out to people who do cooperate.
- JanezStupar 13y ago
  Oh, psychopath will play your prisoners dilemma. He WILL be the one to talk you into cooperation. He will not attack you in public unless he has public on his side. Thats what makes a psychopath so horrible. He will fuck you over then he will convince everybody else that you fucked him over. Psychopaths are Varelse in emotional sense.
  - chrischen 13y ago
    He fucks you over and that is eventually a non-cooperation in an even bigger iterated prisoner's dilemma game. Unless you willingly let him fuck you in the ass again, then his psychopathic strategy will no longer work on you, and you will at least not cooperate, and possibly retaliate resulting in a net loss. In fact, this is extremely likely because it's in your incentive now to disincentivize him from further fucking you because you want to send the proper signal.

im3w1l 13y ago

Iterated prisoner's dilemma is a highly idealized model.

chrischen 13y ago
How so?
- im3w1l 13y ago
  For starters, it is a two player game. Secondly it will not always be crystal clear that you chose "defect" to your coplayers in the real world, since actions are subject to interpretation. Third, the real world is not a game of perfect information.
  - chrischen 13y ago
    It is clear that you chose "defect" in the real world.. over time. It is in fact theoretically impossible to escape this consequence as time approaches infinity. Think about it, you are constantly leaving traces of you "defecting" and not leaving traces of not defecting. Eventually this catches up. This is also an example of the principle of karma, aka cause and effect. You can't escape fundamental effects of causes forever.