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I think by "useless," he meant, "useless for purposes of making money."

etjossem 13y ago
Apple made a lot of money by not thinking this way, and other big companies in SV have started to notice. Skilled industrial/UX designers often come out of a humanities or art major. In fact, so do developers, product managers, and marketing staff. Blame the protesters for throwing bricks into a bus window, but don't blame their majors.
- Crito 13y ago
  I don't think this is a case of Apple employees smashing up Google buses. Maybe their peers from college who got the same degrees went off to find productive jobs, but I am struggling to believe that these particular people did. If you cannot leverage your degree, then your degree is worthless (at least in your hands).
  - etjossem 13y ago
    You've misinterpreted me. I am in no way suggesting that Apple employees are smashing a Google bus. I'm just trying to clear up two big assumptions people in this thread are making. 1. Humanities degrees aren't monetarily worthless. They're quite valuable (measured in dollars) to people who are passionate about the user experience, because they help those people land and hold onto design jobs. I mentioned Apple because it has historically been really supportive of the liberal arts, but it's certainly not the only one. http://stratechery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Apple-Tech-LiberalArts.SteveJobs.jpg http://stratechery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Apple-Tech... 2. The claim that the vandals have humanities or art degrees was (as far as I can tell) invented by HN because they think these guys (https://www.indybay.org/uploads/2013/12/20/800_gbus.jpg https://www.indybay.org/uploads/2013/12/20/800_gbus.jpg) look like hipsters. There's no evidence to support it.
    - jessedhillon 13y ago
      Point 2 is well-taken. This is only my opinion and observation. Not factual in the sense that it draws on empiral measurements for its validity.
smsm42 13y ago
Are they making anything else with it? I mean, except for smashing windows and annoying a bunch of sleepy coders? I'm ok with "not everything is money" but what they have to show in non-money part? Usually their "anti-capitalism" is just another way of saying "I'd work as little as the society allows me without going hungry and do stupid shit like breaking windows and defacing other's property when I'm too bored". My experience is that people who actually can do stuff with their life (degree or not) don't go around smashing windows. They are too busy doing their thing to spend time on breaking other's things.

Apple made a lot of money by not thinking this way, and other big companies in SV have started to notice. Skilled industrial/UX designers often come out of a humanities or art major. In fact, so do developers, product managers, and marketing staff. Blame the protesters for throwing bricks into a bus window, but don't blame their majors.

Crito 13y ago
I don't think this is a case of Apple employees smashing up Google buses. Maybe their peers from college who got the same degrees went off to find productive jobs, but I am struggling to believe that these particular people did. If you cannot leverage your degree, then your degree is worthless (at least in your hands).
- etjossem 13y ago
  You've misinterpreted me. I am in no way suggesting that Apple employees are smashing a Google bus. I'm just trying to clear up two big assumptions people in this thread are making. 1. Humanities degrees aren't monetarily worthless. They're quite valuable (measured in dollars) to people who are passionate about the user experience, because they help those people land and hold onto design jobs. I mentioned Apple because it has historically been really supportive of the liberal arts, but it's certainly not the only one. http://stratechery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Apple-Tech-LiberalArts.SteveJobs.jpg http://stratechery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Apple-Tech... 2. The claim that the vandals have humanities or art degrees was (as far as I can tell) invented by HN because they think these guys (https://www.indybay.org/uploads/2013/12/20/800_gbus.jpg https://www.indybay.org/uploads/2013/12/20/800_gbus.jpg) look like hipsters. There's no evidence to support it.
  - jessedhillon 13y ago
    Point 2 is well-taken. This is only my opinion and observation. Not factual in the sense that it draws on empiral measurements for its validity.

smsm42 13y ago

Are they making anything else with it? I mean, except for smashing windows and annoying a bunch of sleepy coders? I'm ok with "not everything is money" but what they have to show in non-money part? Usually their "anti-capitalism" is just another way of saying "I'd work as little as the society allows me without going hungry and do stupid shit like breaking windows and defacing other's property when I'm too bored". My experience is that people who actually can do stuff with their life (degree or not) don't go around smashing windows. They are too busy doing their thing to spend time on breaking other's things.