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We can't ignore the (sad and backwards) social stigma that trans-women face, where a waitressing job, or any public-facing job, is difficult to apply and be acc
by marquis 13y ago
We can't ignore the (sad and backwards) social stigma that trans-women face, where a waitressing job, or any public-facing job, is difficult to apply and be accepted for.
- sergiotapia 13y agoPardon my ignorance, but when you say trans are you saying "looks like a man and dresses like a woman" or "genetically a man, but looks and acts like a woman (with or without sex reassignment surgery)"? If it's the former, I can understand the reactions of people, it just looks weird; of course people are going to have apprehensions of hiring someone who does dresses like the opposite sex for a public facing job.
- undoware 13y agoUh, I mean that I'm MTF. Full transition, including FFS, SRS, HRT, and a bunch of other TLAs. So is/was my roommate. That was ironically part of her problem too: most johns who want a trans woman are actually after a so-called 'shemale' (a no-op transsexual; i.e. someone who gets everything done but keeps the original plumbing.) Thanks for asking the question respectfully, I really do like explaining things to curious (although I caution you I'm almost alone in this; please don't make a habit of unsolicited questions to trans people! But for better or worse, I love to talk about myself, so let's use it to spread some understanding and peace for the holidays!)
- nollidge 13y agoI think lots of trans women who can't afford or otherwise don't get SRS would pretty strongly object to being referred to as "shemales".
- undoware 13y agoYes, see, this is why writing benefits from having an editor. Facepalm. First draft: most johns are after a so-called 'shemale' Second draft (removing redundant quotes, following writing advice of Bill Zinsser) most johns are after a so-called shemale Third draft (shorten that sentence! Tighten it up!) most johns are after a shemale ....Fourth draft (after walking away and coming back to my writing, suddenly hearing it): most sex-industry customers are after an MtF no-op transsexual -- a 'shemale', in the derogatory parlance of the industry.
- undoware 13y agoAlso note that 'shemale' is a derogatory term; I use it because it is, for better or for worse, the jargon of the sex industry, and that is what is relevant here. The polite term is 'no-op transsexual'.
- nightpool 13y agoYou should still be able to edit your post, fyi. There should be a link on the same line as your name that says 'edit'. Editing gets disabled after a some amount of time, but IIRC it should be more then 1 hour.
- tomp 13y agoSo which words should you use to differentiate between female-to-male no-op and male-to-female no-op (she-male and he-female respectively)? I'm partially asking because I'm curious as to what is the term preferred by the transsexuals, and partially because I feel that words are descriptive and hence void of emotional connotation, which should instead be inferred from the context in which the words are used.
- rmc 13y agoThe preferred language amoung trans people is: "The state of someone's genitals is none of your business unless the two of you are having sex".
- ams6110 13y agoYou might want to spell it out because I have no idea what those acronyms mean.
- kej 13y agoMTF: Male to Female FFS: Facial feminization surgery SRS: Sex reassignment surgery HRT: Hormone replacement therapy TLA: Three letter acronym
- rosser 13y agoNo, a trans person is a person with a body that is one gender, but who identifies as the other gender (assuming binary genders, which is an issue the broader trans community would probably dispute with some vehemence). Some trans people only think it, some take supplementary sex hormones (typically testosterone for FTM; and one or more of the female hormones, and possibly also anti-androgens for MTF), and some have surgery to give them parts that match their identities. You're thinking of cross-dressers, which community has some overlap with the trans world, but is, in general, a different thing. Cross-dressing is generally also a kink, while being trans is an issue of identity.
- marquis 13y ago> I can understand the reactions of people, it just looks weird; It makes less open-minded people uncomfortable, to be around others who are not like them. This is what I mean by 'unfortunate': that not everyone is comfortable in the face of different.
- dragonwriter 13y ago> It makes less open-minded people uncomfortable, to be around others who are not like them. Perhaps more relevantly, it makes less open-minded people uncomfortable to be around others who don't fit their mental model of the world.
- tw266 13y agoThere are probably sub-conscious patterns of antipathy to transexuality that other non-traditional sexualities don't engender, because widespread sexual counterfeiting would be disruptive to society. We have certain expectations of others that we meet, and TG violates those expectations in a domain (sex and reproduction) that triggers our most ancient and visceral feelings. If you bit into a steak and found that it tasted like chocolate, you'd be confused and disturbed. Now multiply that feeling by a large factor.
- PavlovsCat 13y ago> TG violates those expectations in a domain (sex and reproduction) that triggers our most ancient and visceral feelings The only reason to be possessive about someone else's sexuality is insecurity, I think. Which can be very visceral, too, and loves to camouflage itself.
- tw266 13y agoHuman beings are not made of reason.
- PavlovsCat 13y agoNo, but they discovered it, and they can get better at it.
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- rmc 13y agoTrans basically means transsexual / transgender. Y'know how our parents used to think gay meant happy and then it didn't? Words change. This is the new word.