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> The real worry is that this system is Government controlled No it isn't. It's done, individually, by the ISPs. They're not all using the same software either

by IanCal 13y ago

> The real worry is that this system is Government controlled No it isn't. It's done, individually, by the ISPs. They're not all using the same software either. > and built into everyone's internet connection. Not everyones. > This is why a lot of people don't like it: because we're building the machinery of censorship "for the sake of the children." I'm fully aware of that, I'm just tired of hearing the same incorrect arguments. It only hurts a side if they lie or don't know what they are talking about.

summerdown2 13y ago
> No it isn't. It's done, individually, by the ISPs. They're not all using the same software either. I take your point, but I don't think it invalidates the phrase "government controlled." I agree they aren't all using the same software, and much is "voluntary." However, the UK web filter is: a) In the 2010 Conservative Manifesto: > establish a new online system that gives parents greater powers to take action against irresponsible commercial activities targeted at children; http://media.conservatives.s3.amazonaws.com/manifesto/cpmanifesto2010_lowres.pdf http://media.conservatives.s3.amazonaws.com/manifesto/cpmani... b) Announced by the government: > all internet users will be contacted by their service providers and given an "unavoidable choice" on whether to use filters. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jul/22/david-cameron-crackdown-internet-pornography http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jul/22/david-came... c) Implemented voluntarily by the main four ISPs (three down, one to go), but with the expectation all will obey it because it's policy: > "Preselected" parental filters are now official policy, and should extend to small ISPs, according the the Department of Culture, Media and Sport's (DCMS) new strategy paper. https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2013/government-wants-default-blocking-to-hit-small-isps https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2013/government-wants-d... ... So, yes, it's not on every connection at the moment. But this is a government programme instituted by direction from the Government. When you combine it with the IWF and mobile filtering, it's not a misrepresentation to say that the Government is drawing up censorship lists and is approximately half-way through the job of making them unavoidable.

by IanCal 13y ago

summerdown2 13y ago

> No it isn't. It's done, individually, by the ISPs. They're not all using the same software either. I take your point, but I don't think it invalidates the phrase "government controlled." I agree they aren't all using the same software, and much is "voluntary." However, the UK web filter is: a) In the 2010 Conservative Manifesto: > establish a new online system that gives parents greater powers to take action against irresponsible commercial activities targeted at children; http://media.conservatives.s3.amazonaws.com/manifesto/cpmanifesto2010_lowres.pdf http://media.conservatives.s3.amazonaws.com/manifesto/cpmani... b) Announced by the government: > all internet users will be contacted by their service providers and given an "unavoidable choice" on whether to use filters. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jul/22/david-cameron-crackdown-internet-pornography http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jul/22/david-came... c) Implemented voluntarily by the main four ISPs (three down, one to go), but with the expectation all will obey it because it's policy: > "Preselected" parental filters are now official policy, and should extend to small ISPs, according the the Department of Culture, Media and Sport's (DCMS) new strategy paper. https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2013/government-wants-default-blocking-to-hit-small-isps https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2013/government-wants-d... ... So, yes, it's not on every connection at the moment. But this is a government programme instituted by direction from the Government. When you combine it with the IWF and mobile filtering, it's not a misrepresentation to say that the Government is drawing up censorship lists and is approximately half-way through the job of making them unavoidable.