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I initially assumed your comment was a joke of some kind - but I think you might actually be serious? Could you explain how it's reasonable?

by RyanZAG 13y ago

4ndr3vv 13y ago
Comeon, seriously? Do we need to talk about exploitation in the porn industry all over again?
dagw 13y ago
Pornography is not created in a vacuum. There is a large industry surrounding it and, at least according to some, some of the practices of parts that industry is troublesome. There are also reasons to believe that watching porn might in some scenarios affect the viewer in negative ways that abstract sexual fantasy does not. Reasonable people can of course disagree to the scope and accuracy of the above objections, but I'd consider neither fundamentally unreasonable. Masturbation on the other hand is almost universally considered a normal and healthy part of adult sexuality. Basically just because someone might find porn degrading to women or morally objectionable, doesn't mean they in any way oppose sex and their own sexuality.
- RyanZAG 13y ago
  Dildos are not created in a vacuum and has a large industry surrounding it - and a lot of the practices involved in that are troublesome too. Sweatshops? I'm sure there is pornography created by people who want to make it. I'm less sure there are dildos created by anyone who wants to be making dildos (the actual workers, not the boss). I'm sure some people would find a wife using a dildo as degrading to the husband and morally objectionable. Probably most of the middle east. That certainly doesn't give me the right to call it bad, though.
  - Myrmornis 13y ago
    You've totally gone off the rails in this comment. The point is we can draw a line between commodities whose creation involves (a) people using their bodies in ways which vary from completely fine and consensual to coercion/slavery/illegal abuse, and (b) people working in bad conditions. In category (a) we have, e.g. porn and prostitution. In category (b), we have dildos, t-shirts and cell phones. There will be important discussions to be had about categories (a) and (b), but those discussions will be different.

I initially assumed your comment was a joke of some kind - but I think you might actually be serious? Could you explain how it's reasonable?

by RyanZAG 13y ago

I initially assumed your comment was a joke of some kind - but I think you might actually be serious? Could you explain how it's reasonable?

4ndr3vv 13y ago

Comeon, seriously? Do we need to talk about exploitation in the porn industry all over again?

dagw 13y ago

Pornography is not created in a vacuum. There is a large industry surrounding it and, at least according to some, some of the practices of parts that industry is troublesome. There are also reasons to believe that watching porn might in some scenarios affect the viewer in negative ways that abstract sexual fantasy does not. Reasonable people can of course disagree to the scope and accuracy of the above objections, but I'd consider neither fundamentally unreasonable. Masturbation on the other hand is almost universally considered a normal and healthy part of adult sexuality. Basically just because someone might find porn degrading to women or morally objectionable, doesn't mean they in any way oppose sex and their own sexuality.

RyanZAG 13y ago
Dildos are not created in a vacuum and has a large industry surrounding it - and a lot of the practices involved in that are troublesome too. Sweatshops? I'm sure there is pornography created by people who want to make it. I'm less sure there are dildos created by anyone who wants to be making dildos (the actual workers, not the boss). I'm sure some people would find a wife using a dildo as degrading to the husband and morally objectionable. Probably most of the middle east. That certainly doesn't give me the right to call it bad, though.
- Myrmornis 13y ago
  You've totally gone off the rails in this comment. The point is we can draw a line between commodities whose creation involves (a) people using their bodies in ways which vary from completely fine and consensual to coercion/slavery/illegal abuse, and (b) people working in bad conditions. In category (a) we have, e.g. porn and prostitution. In category (b), we have dildos, t-shirts and cell phones. There will be important discussions to be had about categories (a) and (b), but those discussions will be different.