Yes, these ideas are evergreen in California. The "Jefferson" one in particular comes up constantly. There's only a tiny problem: all of "Jefferson" would con

Yes, these ideas are evergreen in California. The "Jefferson" one in particular comes up constantly. There's only a tiny problem: all of "Jefferson" would contain a tiny (fewer than a million) population, would have essentially no economy other than timber and tourism, and currently runs an ENORMOUS budget deficit when considered by itself because the negligible economic activity produced by the timber industry wouldn't even pay for filling the potholes in the 1000s of miles of highways in the region, much less for fixing the bridges and staffing the rural fire departments and whatnot. Of course the idea can't die because 1) rural poor people are particularly susceptible to "stabbed in the back" propaganda about how liberals are robbing them blind, and 2) incumbent timber owners are all too happy to peddle such propaganda because all they want is to clearcut the remainder of California's forests without interference from pesky laws.