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Fair enough, I just assumed people would accept the premise that women get more harassment online than men without me having to cite a study. It seems pretty ob

by pyrocat 13y ago

Fair enough, I just assumed people would accept the premise that women get more harassment online than men without me having to cite a study. It seems pretty obvious to me.

ps4fanboy 13y ago
Lets think about it for a second though, if gaming is male dominated and incredibly hostile and full of harassment wouldn't the victim of the harassment be predominately male?
- pyrocat 13y ago
  > the premise that women get more harassment online than men If you are a woman, online, than you'll be harassed more than if you were a man, online. If you want to go by ratio, then yeah, but that has nothing to do with the argument. The point is that the gaming community is driving away women with this behavior.
  - ps4fanboy 13y ago
    "The point is that the gaming community is driving away women with this behavior", I havent seen any studies or research to suggest that women stop playing games after being harassed, no more or less than men.
  - transitionality 13y ago
    It does, in fact, have to do with your claim that harassment happens to women more often. That can't be the case if men outnumber women by a large factor, which is the case in hardcore gaming.
  - hrkristian 13y ago
    The "community" has no obligation to keep people in, it is the individual's choice what to do and how to deal with anything resulting from that choice. As for women vs men, we all take our daily abuse, and in an anonymous online community the level of abuse is just that much higher. We learn to deal with the adolescent abuse because that's the only remedy. Bullies will be bullies, they hone in on (perceived) weaknesses, when a woman feels harassed in an online community, it's not the fault of the community at large, it's just a fact of the world we live in. I no longer play games, but I used to play a lot online, the abuse was daily. I and men I know receive non-violent abuse daily in real life well, not to mention the physical threats flying around; know that as a man anyone anywhere has the "right" to threaten you just for being a man. (Check your female privilege.) Female harassment is a sham, it's just general harassment. Difference is women are allowed to complain and make a fuzz. Ideally we'd all be allowed to do so.
    - pyrocat 13y ago
      You're assuming I'm female.
transitionality 13y ago
Nobody should accept any premise from you. You are a shameless, serial liar.
- ceol 13y ago
  http://www.npr.org/2012/08/08/158433079/virtual-harassment-gets-real-for-female-gamers http://www.npr.org/2012/08/08/158433079/virtual-harassment-g... http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/08/study-80-of-gamers-believe-sexism-is-rampant-in-the-gaming-community/ http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/08/study-80-of-gamers-believe-s... > Matthew’s study found that women were harassed four times more than men http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/08/sexual_harassment_in_the_gaming_world_a_real_life_problem_for_female_gamers_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/08/sexua... http://www.themarysue.com/academic-study-game-harassment/ http://www.themarysue.com/academic-study-game-harassment/ HN, please downvote this guy.
  - ps4fanboy 13y ago
    I think you should'nt ask people to downvote that is against the etiquette, I think you will find that this study you link to Matthew's is a very biased study as it only focuses on one type of harassment (sexual), the type that women are over represented in, but then when describing the conclusion calls it harassment, but didnt actually ask the participants if they were harassed, just sexually harassed.
    - kbenson 13y ago
      I think you should'nt ask people to downvote that is against the etiquette I would say that's correct. That doesn't mean I don't feel just the same as the parent, though. It seems about half the posts from transitionality that I've seen on the page so far are shameless attacks. It's blatant enough that I'm actually considering whether it's a performance piece trying to make a point about harassment (but which side the point is supposed to be on is unclear, as it could just be very poorly thought out). In either case, I don't think it has any place on this site.

by pyrocat 13y ago

Fair enough, I just assumed people would accept the premise that women get more harassment online than men without me having to cite a study. It seems pretty obvious to me.

ps4fanboy 13y ago

Lets think about it for a second though, if gaming is male dominated and incredibly hostile and full of harassment wouldn't the victim of the harassment be predominately male?

pyrocat 13y ago
> the premise that women get more harassment online than men If you are a woman, online, than you'll be harassed more than if you were a man, online. If you want to go by ratio, then yeah, but that has nothing to do with the argument. The point is that the gaming community is driving away women with this behavior.
- ps4fanboy 13y ago
  "The point is that the gaming community is driving away women with this behavior", I havent seen any studies or research to suggest that women stop playing games after being harassed, no more or less than men.
- transitionality 13y ago
  It does, in fact, have to do with your claim that harassment happens to women more often. That can't be the case if men outnumber women by a large factor, which is the case in hardcore gaming.
- hrkristian 13y ago
  The "community" has no obligation to keep people in, it is the individual's choice what to do and how to deal with anything resulting from that choice. As for women vs men, we all take our daily abuse, and in an anonymous online community the level of abuse is just that much higher. We learn to deal with the adolescent abuse because that's the only remedy. Bullies will be bullies, they hone in on (perceived) weaknesses, when a woman feels harassed in an online community, it's not the fault of the community at large, it's just a fact of the world we live in. I no longer play games, but I used to play a lot online, the abuse was daily. I and men I know receive non-violent abuse daily in real life well, not to mention the physical threats flying around; know that as a man anyone anywhere has the "right" to threaten you just for being a man. (Check your female privilege.) Female harassment is a sham, it's just general harassment. Difference is women are allowed to complain and make a fuzz. Ideally we'd all be allowed to do so.
  - pyrocat 13y ago
    You're assuming I'm female.

transitionality 13y ago

Nobody should accept any premise from you. You are a shameless, serial liar.

ceol 13y ago
http://www.npr.org/2012/08/08/158433079/virtual-harassment-gets-real-for-female-gamers http://www.npr.org/2012/08/08/158433079/virtual-harassment-g... http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/08/study-80-of-gamers-believe-sexism-is-rampant-in-the-gaming-community/ http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/08/study-80-of-gamers-believe-s... > Matthew’s study found that women were harassed four times more than men http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/08/sexual_harassment_in_the_gaming_world_a_real_life_problem_for_female_gamers_.html http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/08/sexua... http://www.themarysue.com/academic-study-game-harassment/ http://www.themarysue.com/academic-study-game-harassment/ HN, please downvote this guy.
- ps4fanboy 13y ago
  I think you should'nt ask people to downvote that is against the etiquette, I think you will find that this study you link to Matthew's is a very biased study as it only focuses on one type of harassment (sexual), the type that women are over represented in, but then when describing the conclusion calls it harassment, but didnt actually ask the participants if they were harassed, just sexually harassed.
  - kbenson 13y ago
    I think you should'nt ask people to downvote that is against the etiquette I would say that's correct. That doesn't mean I don't feel just the same as the parent, though. It seems about half the posts from transitionality that I've seen on the page so far are shameless attacks. It's blatant enough that I'm actually considering whether it's a performance piece trying to make a point about harassment (but which side the point is supposed to be on is unclear, as it could just be very poorly thought out). In either case, I don't think it has any place on this site.