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Yes I would. But I would disagree that that difference is relevant to understanding the problem. In a nutshell, that was the point of my post. Understanding mus
by gametheoretic 13y ago
Yes I would. But I would disagree that that difference is relevant to understanding the problem. In a nutshell, that was the point of my post. Understanding must come first.
- pyrocat 13y agoBullies will find a way to harass people, regardless of gender, is your point? I agree with that. The article is trying to point out that the gaming community is hostile towards women. I don't think your point is all that relevant to the discussion.
- ps4fanboy 13y agoBut it masks the true problem, that online communities tend to be hostile to everyone. Not just gaming communities and not just women.
- pyrocat 13y agoBullshit. They are not equally hostile to everyone.
- ps4fanboy 13y agoAre you saying this anecdotally or do you have data to back this up?
- pyrocat 13y agohttp://blog.pricecharting.com/2012/09/emilyami-sexism-in-video-games-study.html http://blog.pricecharting.com/2012/09/emilyami-sexism-in-vid... Not as academic as I'm sure we'd both like, but there's not a lot of funding for studies that deal with online harassment.
- transitionality 13y agoHow can there be more online harassment against women when most hardcore gamers are men? You're full of shit.
- ps4fanboy 13y agoThis is a study about sexism not harassment.
- pyrocat 13y agoIf you're not going to read the sources you specifically requested, I'm not going to bother.
- ps4fanboy 13y agoI did read your source, I think you miss understood me, I am saying that "sexual harassment" is biased towards women, if you asked a different set of questions that was focused on general harassment you would have a much less biased report, that would show that men are too harassed when playing online games. It would be like asking a group of straight men and homosexual men if they felt they were being harassed for their sexual preferences.
- pyrocat 13y agohttp://nms.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/09/12/1461444812458271 http://nms.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/09/12/146144481245... this too "Findings indicate that, on average, the female voice received three times as many negative comments as the male voice or no voice. In addition, the female voice received more queries and more messages from other gamers than the male voice or no voice."
- ps4fanboy 13y agoWhat did the study find when male voices where played in female dominated online communities? To draw a conclusion dont you need to contrast it with that?
- ceol 13y agoIf you wanted to draw a completely different conclusion, sure, but this is talking about how the male-dominated gaming community treats women. It's not talking about how a female-dominated gaming community would treat men. Anecdotally, the gaming communities that I've been a part of that have had more representation of women have been much more pleasant.
- ps4fanboy 13y agoSo do you think harassment is a male problem?
- transitionality 13y agoYou're the only one who's full of bullshit in this thread. Well, you and the OP, assuming you're not the same person. I have a feeling you might be, though.
- gametheoretic 13y agoNo, it's not, though I will cede that the distinction is a subtle one. My point is that their specific words are not important to them. They're just saying whatever. By the letter of the definition, it is sexual harassment, but by the spirit of their actions, it is not. And if you don't understand why someone is acting the way they are, you stand little chance of persuading them to change their ways. You can stand around and quote rape statistics all you want - it will fall on deaf ears. It has.
- pyrocat 13y agoSo let's say that is true. It obviously doesn't matter to the woman who hears it. So how do we fix it?
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- transitionality 13y agoWe point out agenda-designed bullshit whenever we hear it, like I just did with you, twice.
- ps4fanboy 13y agoFirst you identify the real problem. The root problem is not that people are harassing women, the true problem is people are harassing people online. You can argue that you think it is worse when women are effected but that distinction does not get us closer to a solution and only serves to drive a wedge between people. Arguments about who is victimized more are useless.
- pyrocat 13y agoThat's a really interesting point. Thank you for the perspective.
- gametheoretic 13y agoHN won't let me reply to your more recent comment for some reason. As I see it, you have two options: a) change millions of people to your liking; b) change yourself to your liking. It is not "obviously" true that strangers' words must affect you. If it feels that way, it's because you haven't learned how not to let them. (This is the point the others miss when telling you to just ignore it. The skill is a learned one, not as simple as choosing ketchup vs. mustard, like they make it out to be.) Let's practice: If they don't care what they're saying, then why do you? Non-rhetorical.