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You dont think being called a fagget is sexual harassment?

pyrocat 13y ago
It is, but unless you actually are gay in real life and have had to deal with being called a faggot in real life, I'm going to have more sympathy for females who have to deal with sexual harassment online. They're both terrible behavior that we (as a gaming community) should object to when we hear it.
- ps4fanboy 13y ago
  I have sympathy for everyone who is harassed online, I do not think anyone is actually being singled out for harassment because of who or what they are. If people really wanted to fix it they need to admit that this fact is true first, because treating this as a sexism problem is disingenuous.
  - pyrocat 13y ago
    Women get way way way more shit online than men. Ignoring that is disingenuous.
    - ps4fanboy 13y ago
      You seem to be making a lot of assertions of fact without anything to back it up. I would say that is disingenuous.
      - pyrocat 13y ago
        Fair enough, I just assumed people would accept the premise that women get more harassment online than men without me having to cite a study. It seems pretty obvious to me.
        ps4fanboy 13y ago
        Lets think about it for a second though, if gaming is male dominated and incredibly hostile and full of harassment wouldn't the victim of the harassment be predominately male?
        pyrocat 13y ago
        > the premise that women get more harassment online than men If you are a woman, online, than you'll be harassed more than if you were a man, online. If you want to go by ratio, then yeah, but that has nothing to do with the argument. The point is that the gaming community is driving away women with this behavior.
        ps4fanboy 13y ago
        "The point is that the gaming community is driving away women with this behavior", I havent seen any studies or research to suggest that women stop playing games after being harassed, no more or less than men.
        transitionality 13y ago
        It does, in fact, have to do with your claim that harassment happens to women more often. That can't be the case if men outnumber women by a large factor, which is the case in hardcore gaming.
        hrkristian 13y ago
        The "community" has no obligation to keep people in, it is the individual's choice what to do and how to deal with anything resulting from that choice. As for women vs men, we all take our daily abuse, and in an anonymous online community the level of abuse is just that much higher. We learn to deal with the adolescent abuse because that's the only remedy. Bullies will be bullies, they hone in on (perceived) weaknesses, when a woman feels harassed in an online community, it's not the fault of the community at large, it's just a fact of the world we live in. I no longer play games, but I used to play a lot online, the abuse was daily. I and men I know receive non-violent abuse daily in real life well, not to mention the physical threats flying around; know that as a man anyone anywhere has the "right" to threaten you just for being a man. (Check your female privilege.) Female harassment is a sham, it's just general harassment. Difference is women are allowed to complain and make a fuzz. Ideally we'd all be allowed to do so.
sockypuppy 13y ago
In this context, probably not. See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6938877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6938877

It is, but unless you actually are gay in real life and have had to deal with being called a faggot in real life, I'm going to have more sympathy for females who have to deal with sexual harassment online. They're both terrible behavior that we (as a gaming community) should object to when we hear it.

ps4fanboy 13y ago
I have sympathy for everyone who is harassed online, I do not think anyone is actually being singled out for harassment because of who or what they are. If people really wanted to fix it they need to admit that this fact is true first, because treating this as a sexism problem is disingenuous.
- pyrocat 13y ago
  Women get way way way more shit online than men. Ignoring that is disingenuous.
  - ps4fanboy 13y ago
    You seem to be making a lot of assertions of fact without anything to back it up. I would say that is disingenuous.
    - pyrocat 13y ago
      Fair enough, I just assumed people would accept the premise that women get more harassment online than men without me having to cite a study. It seems pretty obvious to me.
      - ps4fanboy 13y ago
        Lets think about it for a second though, if gaming is male dominated and incredibly hostile and full of harassment wouldn't the victim of the harassment be predominately male?
        pyrocat 13y ago
        > the premise that women get more harassment online than men If you are a woman, online, than you'll be harassed more than if you were a man, online. If you want to go by ratio, then yeah, but that has nothing to do with the argument. The point is that the gaming community is driving away women with this behavior.
        ps4fanboy 13y ago
        "The point is that the gaming community is driving away women with this behavior", I havent seen any studies or research to suggest that women stop playing games after being harassed, no more or less than men.
        transitionality 13y ago
        It does, in fact, have to do with your claim that harassment happens to women more often. That can't be the case if men outnumber women by a large factor, which is the case in hardcore gaming.
        hrkristian 13y ago
        The "community" has no obligation to keep people in, it is the individual's choice what to do and how to deal with anything resulting from that choice. As for women vs men, we all take our daily abuse, and in an anonymous online community the level of abuse is just that much higher. We learn to deal with the adolescent abuse because that's the only remedy. Bullies will be bullies, they hone in on (perceived) weaknesses, when a woman feels harassed in an online community, it's not the fault of the community at large, it's just a fact of the world we live in. I no longer play games, but I used to play a lot online, the abuse was daily. I and men I know receive non-violent abuse daily in real life well, not to mention the physical threats flying around; know that as a man anyone anywhere has the "right" to threaten you just for being a man. (Check your female privilege.) Female harassment is a sham, it's just general harassment. Difference is women are allowed to complain and make a fuzz. Ideally we'd all be allowed to do so.

sockypuppy 13y ago

In this context, probably not. See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6938877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6938877