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The most violent thing to do is to do nothing to change the status quo because the status quo is upheld by perpetual institutionalized violence. Today, however

The most violent thing to do is to do nothing to change the status quo because the status quo is upheld by perpetual institutionalized violence. Today, however, the violence of the current regime goes beyond just violence against other humans. Today the current regime is committing violence against the human species, and threatening that species with extinction. Violent acts that may stop the extinction of life on Earth are not only justified... they are morally obligatory. We are in the last hours of humanity. The species won't be saved by squeamish old boomers.

JoshuaDavid 13y ago
>Today, however, the violence of the current regime goes beyond just violence against other humans. Today the current regime is committing violence against the human species, and threatening that species with extinction [Citation needed]. Who is threatening the human species with extinction. I can think of several ways that humanity could go extinct, but none of them would benefit any government. Be specific.
- wibkemarianne 13y ago
  It's called the climate change apocalypse, and every major government is hurtling our species toward it. Hawaii University just released the best data we have so far: sea level rises are inevitable, mass destruction of coasts worldwide, hundreds of millions of refugees, famine, drought, and extinction of huge proportions of higher life forms across the planet. The only remaining debate is whether we will experience apocalyptic horrors of Biblical degree, whether just humans will go extinct, or whether all life on Earth will go extinct. These are our three possible futures. The Permian mass extinction has oft been cited. You are morally condemned for your ignorance. You are part of the problem. Shame on you.
  - dj-wonk 13y ago
    Yes, climate change is a gigantic issue. But the existence of collective action problems does not imply conspiracy or even willful neglect. It is easy to blame one person or one entity, but that is missing the point. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action#Collective_action_as_a_response_to_climate_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action#Collective_a...
    - wibkemarianne 13y ago
      That's a non-sequitur. No one claimed there is a conspiracy or willful neglect. Why would you even make that argument? What possible help could that be? It doesn't matter WHY governments are causing the extinction of the human species. All that matters is that THEY ARE. If some institution, system, person, class, group is accidentally causing the extinction of the species, it matters not what their motive is. Any violence toward them that could be successful is morally obligatory. Even killing 90% of the human species is preferable to extinction--destroying all technology for instance is preferable to extinction. Why are you making dumb arguments that we should do nothing in the face of scientifically proven extinction threat? Do you WANT the species to end?!
      - dinkumthinkum 13y ago
        Eh, I think you are too wound up about it.
        wibkemarianne 13y ago
        Yeah you're right. Extinction of our species is not really something anyone should speak passionately about. We should all just be non-chalent. Ya know, like middle schoolers trying desperately to be cool. You are actually so threatened by what I'm saying that you feel the need to follow me around on HN and add your worthless 2 cents. It's actually rare to see your kind of empty, mindless blabber here on HN. But it does make me laugh.
        wat0 13y ago
        you're worried about an eventuality, right? Are you more concerned the extinction will be at the hand of humans themselves, or nature? This species hasn't been around very much, but the Sun is eventually going to die. Some spectacular even between now and then could also do it.... so, there are far better things to think about: it's the equivalent of worrying about your own death: that's bound to happen too.

JoshuaDavid 13y ago

>Today, however, the violence of the current regime goes beyond just violence against other humans. Today the current regime is committing violence against the human species, and threatening that species with extinction [Citation needed]. Who is threatening the human species with extinction. I can think of several ways that humanity could go extinct, but none of them would benefit any government. Be specific.

wibkemarianne 13y ago
It's called the climate change apocalypse, and every major government is hurtling our species toward it. Hawaii University just released the best data we have so far: sea level rises are inevitable, mass destruction of coasts worldwide, hundreds of millions of refugees, famine, drought, and extinction of huge proportions of higher life forms across the planet. The only remaining debate is whether we will experience apocalyptic horrors of Biblical degree, whether just humans will go extinct, or whether all life on Earth will go extinct. These are our three possible futures. The Permian mass extinction has oft been cited. You are morally condemned for your ignorance. You are part of the problem. Shame on you.
- dj-wonk 13y ago
  Yes, climate change is a gigantic issue. But the existence of collective action problems does not imply conspiracy or even willful neglect. It is easy to blame one person or one entity, but that is missing the point. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action#Collective_action_as_a_response_to_climate_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action#Collective_a...
  - wibkemarianne 13y ago
    That's a non-sequitur. No one claimed there is a conspiracy or willful neglect. Why would you even make that argument? What possible help could that be? It doesn't matter WHY governments are causing the extinction of the human species. All that matters is that THEY ARE. If some institution, system, person, class, group is accidentally causing the extinction of the species, it matters not what their motive is. Any violence toward them that could be successful is morally obligatory. Even killing 90% of the human species is preferable to extinction--destroying all technology for instance is preferable to extinction. Why are you making dumb arguments that we should do nothing in the face of scientifically proven extinction threat? Do you WANT the species to end?!
    - dinkumthinkum 13y ago
      Eh, I think you are too wound up about it.
      - wibkemarianne 13y ago
        Yeah you're right. Extinction of our species is not really something anyone should speak passionately about. We should all just be non-chalent. Ya know, like middle schoolers trying desperately to be cool. You are actually so threatened by what I'm saying that you feel the need to follow me around on HN and add your worthless 2 cents. It's actually rare to see your kind of empty, mindless blabber here on HN. But it does make me laugh.
        wat0 13y ago
        you're worried about an eventuality, right? Are you more concerned the extinction will be at the hand of humans themselves, or nature? This species hasn't been around very much, but the Sun is eventually going to die. Some spectacular even between now and then could also do it.... so, there are far better things to think about: it's the equivalent of worrying about your own death: that's bound to happen too.