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This reads to me like you think only women are or can be feminists. So let me give you my perspective: To the extent there are institutional barriers that prev
by Cushman 13y ago
This reads to me like you think only women are or can be feminists. So let me give you my perspective:
To the extent there are institutional barriers that prevent women from being able to get those jobs if they want them, those barriers should be torn down. But the reason that's not happening as fast isn't because women don't want those jobs, it's because no one wants those jobs. So for my part, I'm more concerned with the social factors -- gender, but more likely class politics -- that lead to anyone needing to do shitty dangerous work who doesn't really want to.
In brief, if society would collapse without them, we should be paying them a lot more, not relying on bullshit machismo and a lack of options. I consider that a feminist position.
- gaius 13y agoSure but there is an elephant in the corner of that room. Prestige is social standing, and social standing is deeply baked into mammals as a proxy for desirability as a mate.
- Cushman 13y ago...sorry? I really don't understand, what did I say that has more than a tangential relationship to either prestige or mating?
- gaius 13y agoYou will hear feminist principles at work when someone wants to go up in social standing. But if the principle of equality is to be upheld it has to go the other way too, and it won't, so long as a persons job has anything to do with their social rank. What determines all this? Well the consensus of the tribe sure, but let's be completely frank: the collective opinion of the opposite sex about what signals desirability is what determines a lot more than we would comfortably admit structures our supposedly sophisticated society.
- Cushman 13y agoOkay, but... I feel like you're completely ignoring the feminist principle I just outlined to go on a little monologue. Is there any chance of us having a productive discussion that relates in some way what I actually wrote?
- gaius 13y agoOK think about this: being a nurse is a low paid job[1] that involves, umm, cleaning up after other people. It is quite literally "a shitty job". But people still want to be nurses, and nurses have a high social status. So what is the difference between this, and one of the jobs you have identified that no one wants to do? It is entirely one of perception. [1] in the UK
- Cushman 13y agoSure. Perception, physical labor, bodily danger, advancement prospects, hours, locations, unions, a direct involvement in the lives of others, and, if you like, social status. Fine. Are you gonna drop the relevant part on me now?
- LekkoscPiwa 13y agoWhat never stops amazing me that Feminism which is Left ideology, it's almost like Marxism in action. Well, it really is Marxism in action when I think about it. Well, this Marxist ideology is all about women being these capitalistic successful CEOs of these international corporations that are all about greed, greed, greed and profits. I'm sorry but it's quite literally impossible to take all this nonsense seriously. Feminism in all about special treatment for special interest group, that's all, just open your eyes to see.
- Cushman 13y agoIt feels weird to get political advice from a Markov chain generator.
- LekkoscPiwa 13y agoOf course typical weak response attacking form and not the content. I didn't expect much more. One of the reasons left is not at all that popular when it should be, for example in Greece, is that it forgot about its ideology and sold out to the capital. Hence feminist parties in Europe never above 1% vote. Hence Greek left is done and neo-nazis topping the polls. Once you sold your soul to the devil there is no coming back Mr. let's get CEO jobs for women. So if you want political advise it would be don't be a whore sold to the capital. The age of conformism and technocrats in politics is over. It is all about the ground work, grassroots and standing for something in life nowadays. And I don't see feminists there. I see them in 100 richest and most powerful capitalist club instead. You are a fake.
- Cushman 13y agoYeah... That comment wasn't about form. Thanks for the upgrade from generic nonsense to personal insults, though.