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Oh great, the useless bunch who brought you the cookie law will now take on cloud interoperability. And UN, another highly effective institution, will take on s

Oh great, the useless bunch who brought you the cookie law will now take on cloud interoperability. And UN, another highly effective institution, will take on spying. I feel safer already. Does anyone here really believes that any of this is going to make a measurable, positive difference in a regular Internet user's life? That somehow more government meddling is a cure for government meddling? Weren't European spy agencies cooperating with the Americans? It's yet another power grab of the "no crisis should go to waste" kind.

herge 13y ago
They are also the same group that brought us usb charging for all phones (or at least throw around enough threats like this one for manufactures to start using usb cords for charging for the more pedant among you).
- sp332 13y ago
  I thought the phone manufacturers were behind that push? Also, how did Apple get out of that?
  - herge 13y ago
    Hah, phone manufacturers, agreeing on a standard instead of gouging people by selling expensive chargers! I think that there was a draft EU directive to standardize on mini-usb, but it was scrapped after manufacturers voluntarily complied. Apple argued that their usb cable to lightning/doc connecter (which can charge from any usb charger/port/etc.) was required for analog speaker docs and the like, and the EU let it pass.
    - sp332 13y ago
      Wait, are you saying they voluntarily complied or not? Anyway I found some info: http://www.engadget.com/topics/mobile/2009/02/15/eu-commissioner-pushing-for-standard-connector-for-all-cellphone/ http://www.engadget.com/topics/mobile/2009/02/15/eu-commissi... Looks like the European Commissioner scared them, then http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/29/european-standardization-bodies-formalize-micro-usb-cellphone-ch/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/29/european-standardization-... the phone manufacturers agreed to the standard, followed by the CEN-CENELEC and ETSI officially mandating the standard, followed by (most) phones actually coming out with micro-USB.
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  - protomyth 13y ago
    "how did Apple get out of that?" They include an adapter in Europe.
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rnnr 13y ago
Unfortunately, scores of people here on HN and elsewhere believe in those acts. Anyway, I'm not gonna repeat the usual libertarian 'crap', I just want to add, that the justification of regulation governments enjoy is what makes them possible to eventually go a litte bit 'over the edge' like the recent Snowden scandal.

herge 13y ago

They are also the same group that brought us usb charging for all phones (or at least throw around enough threats like this one for manufactures to start using usb cords for charging for the more pedant among you).

sp332 13y ago
I thought the phone manufacturers were behind that push? Also, how did Apple get out of that?
- herge 13y ago
  Hah, phone manufacturers, agreeing on a standard instead of gouging people by selling expensive chargers! I think that there was a draft EU directive to standardize on mini-usb, but it was scrapped after manufacturers voluntarily complied. Apple argued that their usb cable to lightning/doc connecter (which can charge from any usb charger/port/etc.) was required for analog speaker docs and the like, and the EU let it pass.
  - sp332 13y ago
    Wait, are you saying they voluntarily complied or not? Anyway I found some info: http://www.engadget.com/topics/mobile/2009/02/15/eu-commissioner-pushing-for-standard-connector-for-all-cellphone/ http://www.engadget.com/topics/mobile/2009/02/15/eu-commissi... Looks like the European Commissioner scared them, then http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/29/european-standardization-bodies-formalize-micro-usb-cellphone-ch/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/29/european-standardization-... the phone manufacturers agreed to the standard, followed by the CEN-CENELEC and ETSI officially mandating the standard, followed by (most) phones actually coming out with micro-USB.
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- protomyth 13y ago
  "how did Apple get out of that?" They include an adapter in Europe.

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rnnr 13y ago

Unfortunately, scores of people here on HN and elsewhere believe in those acts. Anyway, I'm not gonna repeat the usual libertarian 'crap', I just want to add, that the justification of regulation governments enjoy is what makes them possible to eventually go a litte bit 'over the edge' like the recent Snowden scandal.