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> The fact is the prevelance and ease of accessibility of porn is resulting in a huge spike in sexual violence and disturbed behaviour in teens. Citation neede

by mhaymo 13y ago

> The fact is the prevelance and ease of accessibility of porn is resulting in a huge spike in sexual violence and disturbed behaviour in teens. Citation needed.

seabee 13y ago
It is probably the same evidence that proves violent video games is responsible for making teenagers commit more violent crime.
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retube 13y ago
There is a lot of correlatory evidence. And whilst correlation does not imply causation many studies have observed a correlation. Interestingly enough actually proving causation is difficult and potential research would involve exposing people to a lot of porn involving ethical and potential legal issues. I am at work and would rather not go looking for porn research but am sure you know how to use Google. In the meantime: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22987051 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22987051
- mhaymo 13y ago
  Restricting certain (legal, normal, non-violent, even educational) materials because some people think that maybe they might possibly lead to undesirable behaviour, is to my mind a clear overstepping of government power. Like you I am currently on a work network so I can't really do any research, but I'm certain there will be plenty of claims of the positive effects of pornography (I have heard it said that pornography reduces sexual violence by providing a healthy outlet), and even more so other sex-related (and non-sex-related) material which is caught in these filters. For a sect of the government to force this unilaterally, without any kind of democratic process, is a real problem in my eyes.
  - retube 13y ago
    > Restricting certain (legal, normal, non-violent, even educational) materials I am not advocating that at all. The fact that the current filter technology may be badly implemented doesn't change anything with respect the basic premise. > For a sect of the government to force this unilaterally, without any kind of democratic process, is a real problem in my eyes. Every law in the land is made this way. It's not possible to have public voting on every piece of legislation. What you can do tho is vote in general elections. If a government passes unpopular laws they'll be voted out. My guess is tho, that like it or not, this legislation will have a lot of support.
    - vidarh 13y ago
      The vast majority of what these filters will block if properly implemented will be legal, normal, non-violent material. Quite a bit of it educational too.
    - mhaymo 13y ago
      > I am not advocating that at all. That's exactly what you're advocating for. Pornography is all of those things. It is not evil.
      - retube 13y ago
        Huh, what? No no no. I am simply saying that there is some porn which should not be freely available. Educational stuff, soft porn, fine. It's the hard core, often violent, usually degrading to women, and in some cases, frankly unsafe/dangerous porn I have an issue with.
- vidarh 13y ago
  >There is a lot of correlatory evidence. [Citation needed] > am sure you know how to use Google. I am, and yet in 20+ years of asking people objecting to porn to provide evidence of harm, I've yet to come across anyone that have been able to provide anything remotely believable, so forgive me for not being convinced by a request to Google it.

by mhaymo 13y ago

> The fact is the prevelance and ease of accessibility of porn is resulting in a huge spike in sexual violence and disturbed behaviour in teens. Citation needed.

seabee 13y ago

It is probably the same evidence that proves violent video games is responsible for making teenagers commit more violent crime.

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retube 13y ago

There is a lot of correlatory evidence. And whilst correlation does not imply causation many studies have observed a correlation. Interestingly enough actually proving causation is difficult and potential research would involve exposing people to a lot of porn involving ethical and potential legal issues. I am at work and would rather not go looking for porn research but am sure you know how to use Google. In the meantime: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22987051 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22987051

mhaymo 13y ago
Restricting certain (legal, normal, non-violent, even educational) materials because some people think that maybe they might possibly lead to undesirable behaviour, is to my mind a clear overstepping of government power. Like you I am currently on a work network so I can't really do any research, but I'm certain there will be plenty of claims of the positive effects of pornography (I have heard it said that pornography reduces sexual violence by providing a healthy outlet), and even more so other sex-related (and non-sex-related) material which is caught in these filters. For a sect of the government to force this unilaterally, without any kind of democratic process, is a real problem in my eyes.
- retube 13y ago
  > Restricting certain (legal, normal, non-violent, even educational) materials I am not advocating that at all. The fact that the current filter technology may be badly implemented doesn't change anything with respect the basic premise. > For a sect of the government to force this unilaterally, without any kind of democratic process, is a real problem in my eyes. Every law in the land is made this way. It's not possible to have public voting on every piece of legislation. What you can do tho is vote in general elections. If a government passes unpopular laws they'll be voted out. My guess is tho, that like it or not, this legislation will have a lot of support.
  - vidarh 13y ago
    The vast majority of what these filters will block if properly implemented will be legal, normal, non-violent material. Quite a bit of it educational too.
  - mhaymo 13y ago
    > I am not advocating that at all. That's exactly what you're advocating for. Pornography is all of those things. It is not evil.
    - retube 13y ago
      Huh, what? No no no. I am simply saying that there is some porn which should not be freely available. Educational stuff, soft porn, fine. It's the hard core, often violent, usually degrading to women, and in some cases, frankly unsafe/dangerous porn I have an issue with.
vidarh 13y ago
>There is a lot of correlatory evidence. [Citation needed] > am sure you know how to use Google. I am, and yet in 20+ years of asking people objecting to porn to provide evidence of harm, I've yet to come across anyone that have been able to provide anything remotely believable, so forgive me for not being convinced by a request to Google it.