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So install a filter on your own home connection. What's it got to do with the rest of us? And why allow the government to define what is and isn't objectionable

by mhaymo 13y ago

So install a filter on your own home connection. What's it got to do with the rest of us? And why allow the government to define what is and isn't objectionable for you?

retube 13y ago
Umm the government decide what is "objectionable" in all areas of life. They enact laws against murder or fraud, they don't allow you to buy alcohool until your 18 (or 21 or whatever), they don't allow you to drive until 17. These are enacted for the overall benefit of society an I for for one am glad of this - otherwise you have anarchy. The fact is the prevelance and ease of accessibility of porn is resulting in a huge spike in sexual violence and disturbed behaviour in teens. This is not good. Whiilst I may be a responsible parent and will turn on filters; many will not.
- mhaymo 13y ago
  > The fact is the prevelance and ease of accessibility of porn is resulting in a huge spike in sexual violence and disturbed behaviour in teens. Citation needed.
  - seabee 13y ago
    It is probably the same evidence that proves violent video games is responsible for making teenagers commit more violent crime.
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  - retube 13y ago
    There is a lot of correlatory evidence. And whilst correlation does not imply causation many studies have observed a correlation. Interestingly enough actually proving causation is difficult and potential research would involve exposing people to a lot of porn involving ethical and potential legal issues. I am at work and would rather not go looking for porn research but am sure you know how to use Google. In the meantime: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22987051 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22987051
    - mhaymo 13y ago
      Restricting certain (legal, normal, non-violent, even educational) materials because some people think that maybe they might possibly lead to undesirable behaviour, is to my mind a clear overstepping of government power. Like you I am currently on a work network so I can't really do any research, but I'm certain there will be plenty of claims of the positive effects of pornography (I have heard it said that pornography reduces sexual violence by providing a healthy outlet), and even more so other sex-related (and non-sex-related) material which is caught in these filters. For a sect of the government to force this unilaterally, without any kind of democratic process, is a real problem in my eyes.
      - retube 13y ago
        > Restricting certain (legal, normal, non-violent, even educational) materials I am not advocating that at all. The fact that the current filter technology may be badly implemented doesn't change anything with respect the basic premise. > For a sect of the government to force this unilaterally, without any kind of democratic process, is a real problem in my eyes. Every law in the land is made this way. It's not possible to have public voting on every piece of legislation. What you can do tho is vote in general elections. If a government passes unpopular laws they'll be voted out. My guess is tho, that like it or not, this legislation will have a lot of support.
        vidarh 13y ago
        The vast majority of what these filters will block if properly implemented will be legal, normal, non-violent material. Quite a bit of it educational too.
        mhaymo 13y ago
        > I am not advocating that at all. That's exactly what you're advocating for. Pornography is all of those things. It is not evil.
        retube 13y ago
- adamors 13y ago
  Porn is only bad when it takes the place of sexual education, in these cases it can create unrealistic/distorted views about sex. There's no evidence that porn is linked with sexual violence, some studies showed the exact opposite of that.
- girvo 13y ago
  Oh dear... You truly believe that we're more "deviant" now and it's all porns fault?

by mhaymo 13y ago

So install a filter on your own home connection. What's it got to do with the rest of us? And why allow the government to define what is and isn't objectionable for you?

retube 13y ago

Umm the government decide what is "objectionable" in all areas of life. They enact laws against murder or fraud, they don't allow you to buy alcohool until your 18 (or 21 or whatever), they don't allow you to drive until 17. These are enacted for the overall benefit of society an I for for one am glad of this - otherwise you have anarchy. The fact is the prevelance and ease of accessibility of porn is resulting in a huge spike in sexual violence and disturbed behaviour in teens. This is not good. Whiilst I may be a responsible parent and will turn on filters; many will not.

mhaymo 13y ago
> The fact is the prevelance and ease of accessibility of porn is resulting in a huge spike in sexual violence and disturbed behaviour in teens. Citation needed.
- seabee 13y ago
  It is probably the same evidence that proves violent video games is responsible for making teenagers commit more violent crime.
  - deleted 13y ago
    [deleted]
- retube 13y ago
  There is a lot of correlatory evidence. And whilst correlation does not imply causation many studies have observed a correlation. Interestingly enough actually proving causation is difficult and potential research would involve exposing people to a lot of porn involving ethical and potential legal issues. I am at work and would rather not go looking for porn research but am sure you know how to use Google. In the meantime: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22987051 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22987051
  - mhaymo 13y ago
    Restricting certain (legal, normal, non-violent, even educational) materials because some people think that maybe they might possibly lead to undesirable behaviour, is to my mind a clear overstepping of government power. Like you I am currently on a work network so I can't really do any research, but I'm certain there will be plenty of claims of the positive effects of pornography (I have heard it said that pornography reduces sexual violence by providing a healthy outlet), and even more so other sex-related (and non-sex-related) material which is caught in these filters. For a sect of the government to force this unilaterally, without any kind of democratic process, is a real problem in my eyes.
    - retube 13y ago
      > Restricting certain (legal, normal, non-violent, even educational) materials I am not advocating that at all. The fact that the current filter technology may be badly implemented doesn't change anything with respect the basic premise. > For a sect of the government to force this unilaterally, without any kind of democratic process, is a real problem in my eyes. Every law in the land is made this way. It's not possible to have public voting on every piece of legislation. What you can do tho is vote in general elections. If a government passes unpopular laws they'll be voted out. My guess is tho, that like it or not, this legislation will have a lot of support.
      - vidarh 13y ago
        The vast majority of what these filters will block if properly implemented will be legal, normal, non-violent material. Quite a bit of it educational too.
      - mhaymo 13y ago
        > I am not advocating that at all. That's exactly what you're advocating for. Pornography is all of those things. It is not evil.
        retube 13y ago
adamors 13y ago
Porn is only bad when it takes the place of sexual education, in these cases it can create unrealistic/distorted views about sex. There's no evidence that porn is linked with sexual violence, some studies showed the exact opposite of that.
girvo 13y ago
Oh dear... You truly believe that we're more "deviant" now and it's all porns fault?