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Why do people always reference hard work? Ditch diggers work hard. Migrant farm laborers work hard. So what?

cmiles74 13y ago
Hard work should have value and should be rewarded with a wage that one can live on. While the person in this article is living, they are still not earning enough to support themselves and their family without supplementing from a food pantry. Because this is a contract position they are not allowed to work more than thirty hours a week. I would argue that this shows that this is not a living wage.
- alexeisadeski3 13y ago
  And the person featured in this article is not living?
- thatswrong0 13y ago
  > Hard work should have value No it shouldn't, at least not because the work is hard. I could spend 16 hours a day 7 days a week digging holes in the Sahara desert which are of no use to anybody. I would be working incredibly hard, but I would be producing no value, so I do not see why I should be rewarded anything. I only will and should be 'rewarded', in the sense that someone else is willing to pay me for my work, if my labor produces something of value for someone else.
- jedmeyers 13y ago
  What should have value is how much "service" you render to other people. It should not matter whether providing this service comes hard to you or not - it's all up to you.
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chinasmith 13y ago
Ditches need to be digged. Farms need to be tended to. People need to eat. The laborers should be paid for the value of the work instead of receiving the slimmest of margins from the fruit of their labor.
laudenum 13y ago
Ditches need to be dug. Farms need to be tended to. People need to eat. The laborers should be paid for the value of the work instead of receiving the slimmest of margins from the fruit of their labor.
ThomPete 13y ago
Because the argument often is that those who make the most worked harder than anyone else. My point is that most people work hard so it's not by any metrics and explanation for why some people do really well and others don't. The name of the University you go to however. Now that matters a lot.
- alexeisadeski3 13y ago
  >Because the argument often is that those who make the most worked harder than anyone else. I don't think that I've ever heard that argument made in my life.
  - ThomPete 13y ago
    Then you haven't been listening.
    - alexeisadeski3 13y ago
      [citation needed]
      - ThomPete 13y ago
        You want me to find citations for other peoples claims about hard work as a reason why some people make it and other don't? You don't have to believe me, but just because you haven't heard that I am not going to spend time finding citation. But a quick look around this thread should point you in the right direction.
        alexeisadeski3 13y ago
        >You want me to find citations for other peoples claims about hard work as a reason why some people make it and other don't? I want you to find someone who's claimed hard work was the reason for their success.
        13y ago
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Hard work should have value and should be rewarded with a wage that one can live on. While the person in this article is living, they are still not earning enough to support themselves and their family without supplementing from a food pantry. Because this is a contract position they are not allowed to work more than thirty hours a week. I would argue that this shows that this is not a living wage.

alexeisadeski3 13y ago
And the person featured in this article is not living?
thatswrong0 13y ago
> Hard work should have value No it shouldn't, at least not because the work is hard. I could spend 16 hours a day 7 days a week digging holes in the Sahara desert which are of no use to anybody. I would be working incredibly hard, but I would be producing no value, so I do not see why I should be rewarded anything. I only will and should be 'rewarded', in the sense that someone else is willing to pay me for my work, if my labor produces something of value for someone else.
jedmeyers 13y ago
What should have value is how much "service" you render to other people. It should not matter whether providing this service comes hard to you or not - it's all up to you.

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chinasmith 13y ago

Ditches need to be digged. Farms need to be tended to. People need to eat. The laborers should be paid for the value of the work instead of receiving the slimmest of margins from the fruit of their labor.

laudenum 13y ago

Ditches need to be dug. Farms need to be tended to. People need to eat. The laborers should be paid for the value of the work instead of receiving the slimmest of margins from the fruit of their labor.

ThomPete 13y ago

Because the argument often is that those who make the most worked harder than anyone else. My point is that most people work hard so it's not by any metrics and explanation for why some people do really well and others don't. The name of the University you go to however. Now that matters a lot.

alexeisadeski3 13y ago
>Because the argument often is that those who make the most worked harder than anyone else. I don't think that I've ever heard that argument made in my life.
- ThomPete 13y ago
  Then you haven't been listening.
  - alexeisadeski3 13y ago
    [citation needed]
    - ThomPete 13y ago
      You want me to find citations for other peoples claims about hard work as a reason why some people make it and other don't? You don't have to believe me, but just because you haven't heard that I am not going to spend time finding citation. But a quick look around this thread should point you in the right direction.
      - alexeisadeski3 13y ago
        >You want me to find citations for other peoples claims about hard work as a reason why some people make it and other don't? I want you to find someone who's claimed hard work was the reason for their success.
        13y ago

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