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"Hackers" as in asshole douchebags who wish medical ailments on people? "We at anti-sec, hope you never heal"

by henning 17y ago

mahmud 17y ago
At least they have credibility. These guys are sticking to their guns and keeping the hacking underground just that, underground. Anti-sec is a response to the fear-mongering era of 1998 - 2004 when every hanger-on wannabe computer guy became a security researcher and started publishing "advisories". Between dotcom bubble era to 9/11, everybody was a security guy, and not only that, but the "security guy" was pointing the finger at the hacker community everytime a script kiddie defaced a geocities web page. Those most sec guys are snake-oil salesmen and absolutely deserve no sympathy from me. If they're gonna bad-mouth hackers and promise protection to everyone with a PC (Sec industry essentially being a racket) I say let them protect themselves from the real Hackers; by and large, they're out-gunned and out-skilled. Anti-sec doesn't go after civilians, by the way.
- dkarl 17y ago
  Anti-sec doesn't go after civilians, by the way. Let me guess, if I have a job and a computer I'm not a civilian, right?
  - mahmud 17y ago
    Not if you're using that computer to publish security articles that tell people their lives are at risk if they don't buy your product to protect themselves from the "evil hackers". It's a very specific feud between two specific groups of people. If you're not in the know, why not lurk in the scene a bit and see what's going on? I did just that; I was curious about security and I saw both sides of the issue. One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun, while the other group repeats what the former said in legit, paid publications and calls the former names. Even the train-robbers vs bounty-hunters analogy fails in this case; there are way too many Joe Sixpacks fancying themselves a town sherrif and speaking ill of Jesse James. Very soon, some faces are bound to get smashed at the local Saloon :-P
    - dkarl 17y ago
      using that computer to publish security articles that tell people their lives are at risk if they don't buy your product to protect themselves from the "evil hackers" That's the most bizarre definition of "not a civilian" I've ever heard. Furthermore, I don't trust anyone's definition of "fun" if it means "mayhem" on my boxes, and I don't trust any hackers to tell the difference between funmeisters and for-profit thugs when, for example, having a jolly fun chat about vulnerabilities. The idea that I could lurk in the scene doesn't exactly make me feel better about it. One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun I thought dtf and utnick said they want to keep exploits secret? So do they share the exploits in "the underground" and try to keep them secret from stodgy, above-ground types? Again, I don't trust them to distinguish between "cool" people and (e.g.) botnet operators who send v1@gr@!!! email for spammers.

"Hackers" as in asshole douchebags who wish medical ailments on people? "We at anti-sec, hope you never heal"

by henning 17y ago

"Hackers" as in asshole douchebags who wish medical ailments on people? "We at anti-sec, hope you never heal"

At least they have credibility. These guys are sticking to their guns and keeping the hacking underground just that, underground. Anti-sec is a response to the fear-mongering era of 1998 - 2004 when every hanger-on wannabe computer guy became a security researcher and started publishing "advisories". Between dotcom bubble era to 9/11, everybody was a security guy, and not only that, but the "security guy" was pointing the finger at the hacker community everytime a script kiddie defaced a geocities web page. Those most sec guys are snake-oil salesmen and absolutely deserve no sympathy from me. If they're gonna bad-mouth hackers and promise protection to everyone with a PC (Sec industry essentially being a racket) I say let them protect themselves from the real Hackers; by and large, they're out-gunned and out-skilled. Anti-sec doesn't go after civilians, by the way.

dkarl 17y ago
Anti-sec doesn't go after civilians, by the way. Let me guess, if I have a job and a computer I'm not a civilian, right?
- mahmud 17y ago
  Not if you're using that computer to publish security articles that tell people their lives are at risk if they don't buy your product to protect themselves from the "evil hackers". It's a very specific feud between two specific groups of people. If you're not in the know, why not lurk in the scene a bit and see what's going on? I did just that; I was curious about security and I saw both sides of the issue. One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun, while the other group repeats what the former said in legit, paid publications and calls the former names. Even the train-robbers vs bounty-hunters analogy fails in this case; there are way too many Joe Sixpacks fancying themselves a town sherrif and speaking ill of Jesse James. Very soon, some faces are bound to get smashed at the local Saloon :-P
  - dkarl 17y ago
    using that computer to publish security articles that tell people their lives are at risk if they don't buy your product to protect themselves from the "evil hackers" That's the most bizarre definition of "not a civilian" I've ever heard. Furthermore, I don't trust anyone's definition of "fun" if it means "mayhem" on my boxes, and I don't trust any hackers to tell the difference between funmeisters and for-profit thugs when, for example, having a jolly fun chat about vulnerabilities. The idea that I could lurk in the scene doesn't exactly make me feel better about it. One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun I thought dtf and utnick said they want to keep exploits secret? So do they share the exploits in "the underground" and try to keep them secret from stodgy, above-ground types? Again, I don't trust them to distinguish between "cool" people and (e.g.) botnet operators who send v1@gr@!!! email for spammers.