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> Prices going up is merely a potential symptom of inflation. No, seriously, increases in the price level is literally the definition of inflation. > Incomes
by drabiega 13y ago
> Prices going up is merely a potential symptom of inflation.
No, seriously, increases in the price level is literally the definition of inflation.
> Incomes do not inherently go up hand in hand with prices.
If you hold purchases stable, incomes have to go up with prices because every price someone pays is also a price someone gets paid. And in fact, this actually understates the income effects of inflation because it results in an increase in demand because the value of holding money decreases.
I don't contend that there are no consequences of inflation, just that they are either only short term or that they happen anyway with more hysteresis in the absence of inflation.
> Inflation also destroys savings, and the poor always have the smallest base of savings to begin with, and are least able to shift their savings into higher yielding investments.
It does indeed reduce the value of savings. If you've got more savings than debt, inflation hurts you. That's not a position most of the poor are in. They're in the opposite position, statistically, where the losses to purchasing power from savings is outweighed by the gains from the reduction of debt.
My core point is not that the problems that you cite are not problems, but that inflation is not their cause. Argentina's problems have to do with instability. There are costs imposed by any movement in the value of money and they tend to have feedback effects. Too much inflation is a bad thing because it has large cost effects and causes more inflation. The same is true for large amounts of deflation.
The difference between prices and median income is the problem in your examples, but those problems would largely surface without the inflation because they are inequality problems. Inflation shortens the time scale on which the effects of income inequality is felt but it is not the source of the problem.
- AjithAntony 13y agoI don't have any data either way, but these statements felt wrong. > If you hold purchases stable, incomes have to go up with prices because every price someone pays is also a price someone gets paid. Assuming that is true, that doesn't mean that poor people's income grows. Maybe it just further consolidates income and wealth on the other end of the socioeconomic spectrum. > They're in the opposite position, statistically, where the losses to purchasing power from savings is outweighed by the gains from the reduction of debt. Poor people likely do not have meaningful savings so it's their very fixed incomes that is losing purchasing power, and their debts are often short term instruments that will compound the problem. Speaking of inflation and savings and the poor, there is an episode of the late 1970's tv show "Good Times" where the family encounters a windfall, and one of the kids asks the dad what they should do with it, and the dad replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "We better spend it right away [perhaps on durable goods], becuase tomorrow it won't be worth anything." Having lived all of my life with relatively low inflation rates, as I child, I just assumed, as a comedy, it was just highlighting the foolish short-sighted decision making of the poor. Later in life I now appreciate what a powerfully poignant economic anecdote that scene represents. Does anyone happen to know which one that was? Now that I'm thinking about it, I can't think of any modern TV shows that come close to depicting the lifestyles of poor people as "Good Times" did.