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Surely you guys know that the single largest barrier to using Ember is Ember-data right? I thoroughly tested all the available frameworks this summer and I was

by HNJohnC 13y ago

Surely you guys know that the single largest barrier to using Ember is Ember-data right? I thoroughly tested all the available frameworks this summer and I was leaning heavily towards Ember until I tried actually using it with Ember-data and it was very ugly. I looked online and there was near universal condemnation of it from what I could find. Even Discourse didn't use it! I saw this link and thought "I bet they are announcing a completely new and working ember-data" and was surprised to see it wasn't even a topic in there. Ember-data drove me directly into the arms of Angular and I haven't looked back. I am completely stunned it wasn't your number one priority a long time ago.

tomdale 13y ago
I will challenge your assertion that it wasn't our number one priority. :) See http://emberjs.com/blog/2013/05/03/ember-data-progress-update.html http://emberjs.com/blog/2013/05/03/ember-data-progress-updat... for the blog post that did what you requested. We've probably fixed most of the issues you hit. You should give us another try!
- HNJohnC 13y ago
  Old news unfortunately; I'm specifically speaking of Ember data from July / August 2013 era. It was purportedly worse before that, I don't know because I only looked at it this summer. I understand many people don't write data centric apps and they full well find they don't need Ember-data or need a very sophisticated Ember-data but try to do anything of substance data wise and it's a nightmare.
iamstef 13y ago
I am glad angular (which has no data-layer) satisfies your needs :)
- zwily 13y ago
  I was thinking the same thing... Ember works great without ember-data. In fact, I haven't used ember-data in any of my 6 ember apps.
  - iamstef 13y ago
    Ya, I use ember-data when its appropriate, and not when its not.
- HNJohnC 13y ago
  Well, I guess there is the experience of those of us in the trenches actually working with these frameworks and large data centric applications and then there are people who want to argue semantics.

by HNJohnC 13y ago

tomdale 13y ago

I will challenge your assertion that it wasn't our number one priority. :) See http://emberjs.com/blog/2013/05/03/ember-data-progress-update.html http://emberjs.com/blog/2013/05/03/ember-data-progress-updat... for the blog post that did what you requested. We've probably fixed most of the issues you hit. You should give us another try!

HNJohnC 13y ago
Old news unfortunately; I'm specifically speaking of Ember data from July / August 2013 era. It was purportedly worse before that, I don't know because I only looked at it this summer. I understand many people don't write data centric apps and they full well find they don't need Ember-data or need a very sophisticated Ember-data but try to do anything of substance data wise and it's a nightmare.

iamstef 13y ago

I am glad angular (which has no data-layer) satisfies your needs :)

zwily 13y ago
I was thinking the same thing... Ember works great without ember-data. In fact, I haven't used ember-data in any of my 6 ember apps.
- iamstef 13y ago
  Ya, I use ember-data when its appropriate, and not when its not.
HNJohnC 13y ago
Well, I guess there is the experience of those of us in the trenches actually working with these frameworks and large data centric applications and then there are people who want to argue semantics.