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>members of the anti-sec movement. Can someone tell me what the anti-sec movement is?

by chez17 17y ago

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henning 17y ago
Sounds like a bunch of script kiddies with a little more brains than usual and just as much malice.
- mahmud 17y ago
  Antisec are hackers who don't wanna profit from fear.
- mahmud 17y ago
  Antisec are hackers who don't wanna profit from fear.
  - henning 17y ago
    "Hackers" as in asshole douchebags who wish medical ailments on people? "We at anti-sec, hope you never heal"
    - mahmud 17y ago
      At least they have credibility. These guys are sticking to their guns and keeping the hacking underground just that, underground. Anti-sec is a response to the fear-mongering era of 1998 - 2004 when every hanger-on wannabe computer guy became a security researcher and started publishing "advisories". Between dotcom bubble era to 9/11, everybody was a security guy, and not only that, but the "security guy" was pointing the finger at the hacker community everytime a script kiddie defaced a geocities web page. Those most sec guys are snake-oil salesmen and absolutely deserve no sympathy from me. If they're gonna bad-mouth hackers and promise protection to everyone with a PC (Sec industry essentially being a racket) I say let them protect themselves from the real Hackers; by and large, they're out-gunned and out-skilled. Anti-sec doesn't go after civilians, by the way.
      - dkarl 17y ago
        Anti-sec doesn't go after civilians, by the way. Let me guess, if I have a job and a computer I'm not a civilian, right?
        mahmud 17y ago
        Not if you're using that computer to publish security articles that tell people their lives are at risk if they don't buy your product to protect themselves from the "evil hackers". It's a very specific feud between two specific groups of people. If you're not in the know, why not lurk in the scene a bit and see what's going on? I did just that; I was curious about security and I saw both sides of the issue. One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun, while the other group repeats what the former said in legit, paid publications and calls the former names. Even the train-robbers vs bounty-hunters analogy fails in this case; there are way too many Joe Sixpacks fancying themselves a town sherrif and speaking ill of Jesse James. Very soon, some faces are bound to get smashed at the local Saloon :-P
        dkarl 17y ago
        using that computer to publish security articles that tell people their lives are at risk if they don't buy your product to protect themselves from the "evil hackers" That's the most bizarre definition of "not a civilian" I've ever heard. Furthermore, I don't trust anyone's definition of "fun" if it means "mayhem" on my boxes, and I don't trust any hackers to tell the difference between funmeisters and for-profit thugs when, for example, having a jolly fun chat about vulnerabilities. The idea that I could lurk in the scene doesn't exactly make me feel better about it. One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun I thought dtf and utnick said they want to keep exploits secret? So do they share the exploits in "the underground" and try to keep them secret from stodgy, above-ground types? Again, I don't trust them to distinguish between "cool" people and (e.g.) botnet operators who send v1@gr@!!! email for spammers.
- sucuri2 17y ago
  kiddies with brains and technical knowledge to actually write their own exploits are not script kiddies... This term is used for kiddies without brains that just learned to run a few scripts to attack others. Just clarifying the term.
utnick 17y ago
I haven't been interested in computer security in quite a few years so some of this might be out of date: It is a loose movement that kind of fights against the traditional for-profit computer security industry. they think that publicizing security holes and those hole's exploits causes more pain than it helps. They also seem to be kind of anti-capitalist. A bunch of docs have been written about their goals and ideas. They aren't really script kiddies, some of them are very talented security researchers. google around for the el8 magazine, also 'phrack high council' or just antisec in general
dtf 17y ago
Anti-secs want to keep security - in particular, exploits - private. Milw0rm is their nemesis. There's a discernible political bent to their writings and rantings. While we see a general shift on the internet towards the idea that "information just wants to be free", the anti-sec people don't agree with this when it comes to matters of security. From a white-hat POV, they're saying that full disclosure actually causes more damage than if only a select few, capable, and not necessarily malevolent, people were to know about any particular exploit. But I also get the impression there's a tad of immaturity and insecurity in there. There's revulsion that a once (deservedly) elite occupation has been encroached by larger, more clueless corporations (eg the antivirus mongers, but there are many others), and that the movement is more a rebellion against that than a completely well thought out, idealistic point of view. Still, from recent events, nobody could deny their abilities.

>members of the anti-sec movement. Can someone tell me what the anti-sec movement is?

by chez17 17y ago

>members of the anti-sec movement. Can someone tell me what the anti-sec movement is?

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henning 17y ago

Sounds like a bunch of script kiddies with a little more brains than usual and just as much malice.

mahmud 17y ago
Antisec are hackers who don't wanna profit from fear.
mahmud 17y ago
Antisec are hackers who don't wanna profit from fear.
- henning 17y ago
  "Hackers" as in asshole douchebags who wish medical ailments on people? "We at anti-sec, hope you never heal"
  - mahmud 17y ago
    At least they have credibility. These guys are sticking to their guns and keeping the hacking underground just that, underground. Anti-sec is a response to the fear-mongering era of 1998 - 2004 when every hanger-on wannabe computer guy became a security researcher and started publishing "advisories". Between dotcom bubble era to 9/11, everybody was a security guy, and not only that, but the "security guy" was pointing the finger at the hacker community everytime a script kiddie defaced a geocities web page. Those most sec guys are snake-oil salesmen and absolutely deserve no sympathy from me. If they're gonna bad-mouth hackers and promise protection to everyone with a PC (Sec industry essentially being a racket) I say let them protect themselves from the real Hackers; by and large, they're out-gunned and out-skilled. Anti-sec doesn't go after civilians, by the way.
    - dkarl 17y ago
      Anti-sec doesn't go after civilians, by the way. Let me guess, if I have a job and a computer I'm not a civilian, right?
      - mahmud 17y ago
        Not if you're using that computer to publish security articles that tell people their lives are at risk if they don't buy your product to protect themselves from the "evil hackers". It's a very specific feud between two specific groups of people. If you're not in the know, why not lurk in the scene a bit and see what's going on? I did just that; I was curious about security and I saw both sides of the issue. One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun, while the other group repeats what the former said in legit, paid publications and calls the former names. Even the train-robbers vs bounty-hunters analogy fails in this case; there are way too many Joe Sixpacks fancying themselves a town sherrif and speaking ill of Jesse James. Very soon, some faces are bound to get smashed at the local Saloon :-P
        dkarl 17y ago
        using that computer to publish security articles that tell people their lives are at risk if they don't buy your product to protect themselves from the "evil hackers" That's the most bizarre definition of "not a civilian" I've ever heard. Furthermore, I don't trust anyone's definition of "fun" if it means "mayhem" on my boxes, and I don't trust any hackers to tell the difference between funmeisters and for-profit thugs when, for example, having a jolly fun chat about vulnerabilities. The idea that I could lurk in the scene doesn't exactly make me feel better about it. One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun I thought dtf and utnick said they want to keep exploits secret? So do they share the exploits in "the underground" and try to keep them secret from stodgy, above-ground types? Again, I don't trust them to distinguish between "cool" people and (e.g.) botnet operators who send v1@gr@!!! email for spammers.
sucuri2 17y ago
kiddies with brains and technical knowledge to actually write their own exploits are not script kiddies... This term is used for kiddies without brains that just learned to run a few scripts to attack others. Just clarifying the term.

utnick 17y ago

I haven't been interested in computer security in quite a few years so some of this might be out of date: It is a loose movement that kind of fights against the traditional for-profit computer security industry. they think that publicizing security holes and those hole's exploits causes more pain than it helps. They also seem to be kind of anti-capitalist. A bunch of docs have been written about their goals and ideas. They aren't really script kiddies, some of them are very talented security researchers. google around for the el8 magazine, also 'phrack high council' or just antisec in general

dtf 17y ago

Anti-secs want to keep security - in particular, exploits - private. Milw0rm is their nemesis. There's a discernible political bent to their writings and rantings. While we see a general shift on the internet towards the idea that "information just wants to be free", the anti-sec people don't agree with this when it comes to matters of security. From a white-hat POV, they're saying that full disclosure actually causes more damage than if only a select few, capable, and not necessarily malevolent, people were to know about any particular exploit. But I also get the impression there's a tad of immaturity and insecurity in there. There's revulsion that a once (deservedly) elite occupation has been encroached by larger, more clueless corporations (eg the antivirus mongers, but there are many others), and that the movement is more a rebellion against that than a completely well thought out, idealistic point of view. Still, from recent events, nobody could deny their abilities.