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I'm surprised you describe Europe as lacking in world class innovators. There are loads of conferences in most of Europe and the scientific and academic output

by room271 13y ago

I'm surprised you describe Europe as lacking in world class innovators. There are loads of conferences in most of Europe and the scientific and academic output in general of European countries is incredibly high. The same is likely true for lots of Asia and Africa too, though I lack first hand knowledge.

andr 13y ago
I meant some countries, mostly in Eastern Europe.
pathy 13y ago
To strengthen your point: INSEAD's "The World’s Most Innovative Countries: The Global Innovation Index 2013": 1: Switzerland 2: Sweden 3: United Kingdoms 4: Netherlands 5: USA 6: Finland 7: Hong Kong 8: Singapore 9: Denmark 10: Ireland Source: http://knowledge.insead.edu/innovation/the-worlds-most-innovative-countries-the-global-innovation-index-2013-2525 http://knowledge.insead.edu/innovation/the-worlds-most-innov... I always take these types of rating with a pinch of salt but it does give an indication. Edit: I cannot English.
- snogglethorpe 13y ago
  > I always take these types of rating with a pinch of salt but it does give an indication. More than pinch... a dump-truck full perhaps. This sort of list, backed by impressive-sounding acronymonic international agencies or well-known publications (even fairly respected outfits like The Economist pull this sort of stunt way too often) pops up regularly on all sorts of righteous-sounding topics ("Most Green City," that kind of thing). Typically they claim some sort of quantitative legitimacy but the results have little apparent connection with the real world. The fundamental problem seems to be that such things are extremely hard to define, much less measure, and so being not really willing to do the really hard work of trying to find a definition that really works, the writers fall back to just using whatever measures they can find that are easy to evaluate and have some sort of vaguely appropriate name. As you'd expect, the results are consequently barely better than random. There's little real repercussion, the winners crow a bit, some pompous headlines are written, buzzwords are sprinkled liberally, and nobody else really cares.
  - pathy 13y ago
    Have you actually read the report or are you just commenting on most of these types of reports? A quick glance suggests that their framework is quite detailed but I do not know how well it reflects reality. (p. 30 in the report) Your comment would be much better if you actually had anything to back up your claims. What supports your statement that these reports are no better than random? Report: http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/freepublications/en/economics/gii/gii_2013.pdf http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/freepublications/en/eco...
SkyMarshal 13y ago
He said "developing countries" in Europe. Former soviet bloc namely.
notdang 13y ago
Europe is not just European Union. There are a lot more countries.
crazy1van 13y ago
> I'm surprised you describe Europe as lacking in world class innovators. There are loads of conferences in most of Europe and the scientific and academic output in general of European countries is incredibly high. I don't think the quantity of conferences and scientific / academic output are really good indicators of innovation.

by room271 13y ago

andr 13y ago

I meant some countries, mostly in Eastern Europe.

pathy 13y ago

To strengthen your point: INSEAD's "The World’s Most Innovative Countries: The Global Innovation Index 2013": 1: Switzerland 2: Sweden 3: United Kingdoms 4: Netherlands 5: USA 6: Finland 7: Hong Kong 8: Singapore 9: Denmark 10: Ireland Source: http://knowledge.insead.edu/innovation/the-worlds-most-innovative-countries-the-global-innovation-index-2013-2525 http://knowledge.insead.edu/innovation/the-worlds-most-innov... I always take these types of rating with a pinch of salt but it does give an indication. Edit: I cannot English.

snogglethorpe 13y ago
> I always take these types of rating with a pinch of salt but it does give an indication. More than pinch... a dump-truck full perhaps. This sort of list, backed by impressive-sounding acronymonic international agencies or well-known publications (even fairly respected outfits like The Economist pull this sort of stunt way too often) pops up regularly on all sorts of righteous-sounding topics ("Most Green City," that kind of thing). Typically they claim some sort of quantitative legitimacy but the results have little apparent connection with the real world. The fundamental problem seems to be that such things are extremely hard to define, much less measure, and so being not really willing to do the really hard work of trying to find a definition that really works, the writers fall back to just using whatever measures they can find that are easy to evaluate and have some sort of vaguely appropriate name. As you'd expect, the results are consequently barely better than random. There's little real repercussion, the winners crow a bit, some pompous headlines are written, buzzwords are sprinkled liberally, and nobody else really cares.
- pathy 13y ago
  Have you actually read the report or are you just commenting on most of these types of reports? A quick glance suggests that their framework is quite detailed but I do not know how well it reflects reality. (p. 30 in the report) Your comment would be much better if you actually had anything to back up your claims. What supports your statement that these reports are no better than random? Report: http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/freepublications/en/economics/gii/gii_2013.pdf http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/freepublications/en/eco...

SkyMarshal 13y ago

He said "developing countries" in Europe. Former soviet bloc namely.

notdang 13y ago

Europe is not just European Union. There are a lot more countries.

crazy1van 13y ago

> I'm surprised you describe Europe as lacking in world class innovators. There are loads of conferences in most of Europe and the scientific and academic output in general of European countries is incredibly high. I don't think the quantity of conferences and scientific / academic output are really good indicators of innovation.