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I don't think they understand that without individual freedoms reigning supreme, we'll have monopolies, lack of innovation, taxes, etc. Oh, and don't forget tra

I don't think they understand that without individual freedoms reigning supreme, we'll have monopolies, lack of innovation, taxes, etc. Oh, and don't forget tracking/passport/entry visas because of taxes. Oh and don't forget mandatory "collective" (but NOT state) schooling. Taxes = Theft, Government = the Monopoly on Violence, and Capitalism (which is separate from the free market) = Wage Slavery and too much power. Your thoughts?

anoncowherd 13y ago
>> I don't think they understand that without individual freedoms reigning supreme, we'll have monopolies, lack of innovation, taxes, etc. Agreed. >> Oh, and don't forget tracking/passport/entry visas because of taxes Yep, it's about taxes in the sense that Tax Farms want to retain their cattle, so they make it difficult for the cattle to leave, while still maintaining an illusion of freedom. Even a complete sheep would realize he's a slave if he weren't free to leave "his" country. >> Oh and don't forget mandatory "collective" (but NOT state) schooling. Mandatory collective schooling, but imposed on everyone by something else than the state? .. That doesn't sound right either. Anything that is based on aggressing against people is immoral. >> Taxes = Theft I'm fine with "robbery", "rape", and "theft" and so on. But extortion is more accurate. >> Government = the Monopoly on Violence Yes, and thoroughly immoral. >> Capitalism (which is separate from the free market) = Wage Slavery and too much power This is where we disagree, it seems. You seem to be referring to Crony-Capitalism, or "Crapitalism". Corporations buy State power and using it to their own benefit, and of course, that will continue for as long as there is power to be bought. If there's nothing to bribe, then you can't bribe. But in reality, Capitalism is just what people do in their pursuit of personal gain: voluntary exchanges, contracts, agreements, and investments, etc. All backed by respect for property rights, of course. Without property rights, there would be just about no wealth in the world, because no one could expect to benefit from any value they might produce. The absence of coercion ~ a free market ~ freedom ~ Capitalism. They all go hand in hand.
eli_gottlieb 13y ago
>I don't think they understand that without individual freedoms reigning supreme, we'll have monopolies, lack of innovation, taxes, etc. Oh, and don't forget tracking/passport/entry visas because of taxes. Humanity has gone through 6000 years of history under various forms of government, without any minarcho-capitalist regime ever coming to power in a broad domain. Somehow we've done just fine without it.

anoncowherd 13y ago

>> I don't think they understand that without individual freedoms reigning supreme, we'll have monopolies, lack of innovation, taxes, etc. Agreed. >> Oh, and don't forget tracking/passport/entry visas because of taxes Yep, it's about taxes in the sense that Tax Farms want to retain their cattle, so they make it difficult for the cattle to leave, while still maintaining an illusion of freedom. Even a complete sheep would realize he's a slave if he weren't free to leave "his" country. >> Oh and don't forget mandatory "collective" (but NOT state) schooling. Mandatory collective schooling, but imposed on everyone by something else than the state? .. That doesn't sound right either. Anything that is based on aggressing against people is immoral. >> Taxes = Theft I'm fine with "robbery", "rape", and "theft" and so on. But extortion is more accurate. >> Government = the Monopoly on Violence Yes, and thoroughly immoral. >> Capitalism (which is separate from the free market) = Wage Slavery and too much power This is where we disagree, it seems. You seem to be referring to Crony-Capitalism, or "Crapitalism". Corporations buy State power and using it to their own benefit, and of course, that will continue for as long as there is power to be bought. If there's nothing to bribe, then you can't bribe. But in reality, Capitalism is just what people do in their pursuit of personal gain: voluntary exchanges, contracts, agreements, and investments, etc. All backed by respect for property rights, of course. Without property rights, there would be just about no wealth in the world, because no one could expect to benefit from any value they might produce. The absence of coercion ~ a free market ~ freedom ~ Capitalism. They all go hand in hand.

eli_gottlieb 13y ago

>I don't think they understand that without individual freedoms reigning supreme, we'll have monopolies, lack of innovation, taxes, etc. Oh, and don't forget tracking/passport/entry visas because of taxes. Humanity has gone through 6000 years of history under various forms of government, without any minarcho-capitalist regime ever coming to power in a broad domain. Somehow we've done just fine without it.