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That's what Google tried to claim once Snowden forced their hand, but the leaked PRISM documents contradict their official stance. I know which I choose to beli

by koip49 13y ago

That's what Google tried to claim once Snowden forced their hand, but the leaked PRISM documents contradict their official stance. I know which I choose to believe.

myko 13y ago
> but the leaked PRISM documents contradict their official stance. Mind posting a source confirming this? It's just that I don't believe you is all.
- koip49 13y ago
  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-... There are a lot of Google employees on HN who try to suppress information whenever anyone posts sources. Pretty pitiful. "Although the presentation claims the program is run with the assistance of the companies, all those who responded to a Guardian request for comment on Thursday denied knowledge of any such program." The PR response from Google is irrelevant, just attempting a cover up.
  - Symmetry 13y ago
    That was written before the October leaks that showed what's actually going on.
  - mburns 13y ago
    So you come to a conclusion and then ignore any contradictory evidence, because it all must be part of the conspiracy. Seems level-headed and reasonable.
Symmetry 13y ago
The PRISM documents (not the same as the PRISM program) proved that the NSA had access to Google's servers. Google claimed that they didn't give the NSA access, and at the time many people assumed they were lying. But a later Snowden leak showed that the NSA was tapping Google's fiber in a way consistent with the extra information we knew they were getting for PRISM, so Google appears not to have lied about that after all. The codename for the tap is apparently MUSCULAR[1]. Google is still totally turning over tons of data to the NSA under PRISM[2], but that goes through Google's lawyers and the court system so bad as it is, direct server access is much worse. [1]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/new-docs-show-nsa-taps-google-yahoo-data-center-links/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/new-docs-show-nsa... [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

by koip49 13y ago

That's what Google tried to claim once Snowden forced their hand, but the leaked PRISM documents contradict their official stance. I know which I choose to believe.

myko 13y ago

> but the leaked PRISM documents contradict their official stance. Mind posting a source confirming this? It's just that I don't believe you is all.

koip49 13y ago
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-... There are a lot of Google employees on HN who try to suppress information whenever anyone posts sources. Pretty pitiful. "Although the presentation claims the program is run with the assistance of the companies, all those who responded to a Guardian request for comment on Thursday denied knowledge of any such program." The PR response from Google is irrelevant, just attempting a cover up.
- Symmetry 13y ago
  That was written before the October leaks that showed what's actually going on.
- mburns 13y ago
  So you come to a conclusion and then ignore any contradictory evidence, because it all must be part of the conspiracy. Seems level-headed and reasonable.

Symmetry 13y ago

The PRISM documents (not the same as the PRISM program) proved that the NSA had access to Google's servers. Google claimed that they didn't give the NSA access, and at the time many people assumed they were lying. But a later Snowden leak showed that the NSA was tapping Google's fiber in a way consistent with the extra information we knew they were getting for PRISM, so Google appears not to have lied about that after all. The codename for the tap is apparently MUSCULAR[1]. Google is still totally turning over tons of data to the NSA under PRISM[2], but that goes through Google's lawyers and the court system so bad as it is, direct server access is much worse. [1]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/new-docs-show-nsa-taps-google-yahoo-data-center-links/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/new-docs-show-nsa... [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM