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In the mean time, everyone just want a better browser.

by lcnmrn 13y ago

owenmarshall 13y ago
Really? The last time I've thought to myself "gee, my browser is missing a feature I'd really like" or "all my browser needs to get better is (some improvement)" was... 2008? 2009? I'm not sure, I just know it's been a while. And it doesn't really matter what browser I was using at the time. Chrome, Firefox, even Safari. What do you want to make your browser better?
- chrismonsanto 13y ago
  css grid support, flex-wrap support
  - robin_reala 13y ago
    flex-wrap is in Nightly, CSS Grids don’t have a stable spec yet.
    - chrismonsanto 13y ago
      That's awesome about flex-wrap! I have been waiting a long time. > stable spec I'd really like to see more vendor prefixes for support. I mean, basic flexbox support was rolled out quickly, and the spec changed like three times. Mozilla has a new 'avoid vendor prefixes' thing, which I think is the wrong approach. I'd rather just use a tool like autoprefixer to generate all of the browser-incompatible CSS until we can all agree. I can't believe I am praising IE for being forward thinking! (they have full CSS grid support, per the draft)
      - KwanEsq 13y ago
        Experimental support ala prefixes is still happening, they just stick it behind prefs now, so devs can turn them on to experiment with, but they can't be used in production sites. This was done in response to webkit becoming the new IE6, especially in mobile land, where countless (shitty) devs were using prefixed properties as essential parts of their stylesheets, thus breaking sites for other perfectly good browsers like Firefox and Opera. Also grid isn't really a case of IE being forward thinking, Microsoft just happened to create the grid spec, so it's more a case of pushing their own solution, rather than being fast on implementing a new tech.
      - robin_reala 13y ago
        I believe MS came up with the grid spec, or at least the original draft editors were three MS employees and glazou: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-css3-grid-layout-20110407/ http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-css3-grid-layout-20110407/ . This was published five days before the first platform preview of IE10. It does seem like a neat spec though, I’d welcome inclusion as another tool in the box.
        apaprocki 13y ago
        We (Bloomberg) hired Igalia to help put some resources on implementing CSS Grid. The original MS authors didn't like the initial spec so they've been working on an improved spec w/ others (Google, Igalia) and Igalia is landing code for it in both WebKit and Blink. So it is definitely moving forward..
      - callahad 13y ago
        > Mozilla has a new 'avoid vendor prefixes' thing FWIW, Google Blink also takes this position: http://www.chromium.org/blink#vendor-prefixes http://www.chromium.org/blink#vendor-prefixes
        lillycat 13y ago
        Correct, but unfortunately, WebKit (and Safari) has not and introduced lately (read: this quarter) new properties with prefixes.
    - lillycat 13y ago
      To be complete, if all goes well flex-wrap will be in Firefox 28 (unprefixed). It is in Nightly and Aurora. CSS Grid implementation will start in 2014. A dev has been assigned to it, but I don't know where it stands in its work pile (quite high though). But plans can be changed, so beware...
  - nawitus 13y ago
    I'd welcome support for outline.
- bm1362 13y ago
  I agree, I think the sentiment for better browsers resonates with web developers. I'm personally more excited by Firefox OS.
- eiji 13y ago
  Try FF on windows 8. It's an abysmal experience. Try to remove Google vom FF Android. Not possible. I could go on and on.
  - ptx 13y ago
    You can change the search engine in menu -> Settings -> Customise -> Search settings. Is there some other form of unremovable Google integration?
    - callahad 13y ago
      Seems like you can't delete the built-in search providers since the new home screen landed. Goes off to file a bug...
      - josteink 13y ago
        This bug has existed for a while. It' being worked on, and quite actively this last week. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=910189 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=910189
- lmm 13y ago
  Dart
  - mscottmcbee 13y ago
    Not sure why this was downvoted, I'd like to see a DartVM as well, once the spec is standardized.
- millstone 13y ago
  My favorite browser features are ones that combat user-hostile website features. For example: popup blockers, cookie blockers, Safari Reader. I would love to see more features along those lines, such as de-pagination and blocking popover psuedo-windows. However as Firefox is funded indirectly through advertising, Mozilla's loyalties are necessarily mixed.

In the mean time, everyone just want a better browser.

by lcnmrn 13y ago

In the mean time, everyone just want a better browser.

Really? The last time I've thought to myself "gee, my browser is missing a feature I'd really like" or "all my browser needs to get better is (some improvement)" was... 2008? 2009? I'm not sure, I just know it's been a while. And it doesn't really matter what browser I was using at the time. Chrome, Firefox, even Safari. What do you want to make your browser better?

chrismonsanto 13y ago
css grid support, flex-wrap support
- robin_reala 13y ago
  flex-wrap is in Nightly, CSS Grids don’t have a stable spec yet.
  - chrismonsanto 13y ago
    That's awesome about flex-wrap! I have been waiting a long time. > stable spec I'd really like to see more vendor prefixes for support. I mean, basic flexbox support was rolled out quickly, and the spec changed like three times. Mozilla has a new 'avoid vendor prefixes' thing, which I think is the wrong approach. I'd rather just use a tool like autoprefixer to generate all of the browser-incompatible CSS until we can all agree. I can't believe I am praising IE for being forward thinking! (they have full CSS grid support, per the draft)
    - KwanEsq 13y ago
      Experimental support ala prefixes is still happening, they just stick it behind prefs now, so devs can turn them on to experiment with, but they can't be used in production sites. This was done in response to webkit becoming the new IE6, especially in mobile land, where countless (shitty) devs were using prefixed properties as essential parts of their stylesheets, thus breaking sites for other perfectly good browsers like Firefox and Opera. Also grid isn't really a case of IE being forward thinking, Microsoft just happened to create the grid spec, so it's more a case of pushing their own solution, rather than being fast on implementing a new tech.
    - robin_reala 13y ago
      I believe MS came up with the grid spec, or at least the original draft editors were three MS employees and glazou: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-css3-grid-layout-20110407/ http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-css3-grid-layout-20110407/ . This was published five days before the first platform preview of IE10. It does seem like a neat spec though, I’d welcome inclusion as another tool in the box.
      - apaprocki 13y ago
        We (Bloomberg) hired Igalia to help put some resources on implementing CSS Grid. The original MS authors didn't like the initial spec so they've been working on an improved spec w/ others (Google, Igalia) and Igalia is landing code for it in both WebKit and Blink. So it is definitely moving forward..
    - callahad 13y ago
      > Mozilla has a new 'avoid vendor prefixes' thing FWIW, Google Blink also takes this position: http://www.chromium.org/blink#vendor-prefixes http://www.chromium.org/blink#vendor-prefixes
      - lillycat 13y ago
        Correct, but unfortunately, WebKit (and Safari) has not and introduced lately (read: this quarter) new properties with prefixes.
  - lillycat 13y ago
    To be complete, if all goes well flex-wrap will be in Firefox 28 (unprefixed). It is in Nightly and Aurora. CSS Grid implementation will start in 2014. A dev has been assigned to it, but I don't know where it stands in its work pile (quite high though). But plans can be changed, so beware...
- nawitus 13y ago
  I'd welcome support for outline.
bm1362 13y ago
I agree, I think the sentiment for better browsers resonates with web developers. I'm personally more excited by Firefox OS.
eiji 13y ago
Try FF on windows 8. It's an abysmal experience. Try to remove Google vom FF Android. Not possible. I could go on and on.
- ptx 13y ago
  You can change the search engine in menu -> Settings -> Customise -> Search settings. Is there some other form of unremovable Google integration?
  - callahad 13y ago
    Seems like you can't delete the built-in search providers since the new home screen landed. Goes off to file a bug...
    - josteink 13y ago
      This bug has existed for a while. It' being worked on, and quite actively this last week. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=910189 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=910189
lmm 13y ago
Dart
- mscottmcbee 13y ago
  Not sure why this was downvoted, I'd like to see a DartVM as well, once the spec is standardized.
millstone 13y ago
My favorite browser features are ones that combat user-hostile website features. For example: popup blockers, cookie blockers, Safari Reader. I would love to see more features along those lines, such as de-pagination and blocking popover psuedo-windows. However as Firefox is funded indirectly through advertising, Mozilla's loyalties are necessarily mixed.