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Id actually be interested if something like this happens in the US as well in this form ? Amazon Germany defends itself by saying they already pay above average

by kayoone 13y ago

Id actually be interested if something like this happens in the US as well in this form ? Amazon Germany defends itself by saying they already pay above average (for the logistics sector) salaries but ive heard the average is pretty miserable. Overall i think the logistics workers cant win this, as the work they do is pretty expendable, its just a matter of quantity and they will probably find enough people to work for less. As a german i have always had the feeling that these unions are way to aggressive and often times prefer short term goals (more money yay people are happy) over long term goals (successful business, stable jobs).

hwh 13y ago
This is about the only political instrument the workers have. And unions are important to provide the infrastructure to allow for strikes. What constitutes the aggressiveness you speak of? "As a german" I see that the political opinion in this country got a bit too streamlined to the view that the vast number of low-paid jobs in this country guarantee "long term goals". Yes, business is successful. After all, Germany has a big sector for low-paid work, and reworked the former restrictions on fixed-term and part-time jobs. "Stable jobs" is a bit too general, then this comes at a price where I would dispute the view that they are "stable". They don't provide enough means for sustain a life after retirement anymore. Yes, Germany as a nation is economically doing fine. The low-paid job sector is booming - and the price for that will be paid by a lot of people struggling to finance their daily needs.
- roel_v 13y ago
  "They don't provide enough means for sustain a life after retirement anymore." German pension payment are compulsory, so even if you work one of these jobs for 40 years, you still get a pension. Unless I didn't understand what you were saying.
  - sentenza 13y ago
    Yes, but his point was that the pensions which will be payed out to those workers are so small that they are essentially working their way into poverty.

by kayoone 13y ago

hwh 13y ago

This is about the only political instrument the workers have. And unions are important to provide the infrastructure to allow for strikes. What constitutes the aggressiveness you speak of? "As a german" I see that the political opinion in this country got a bit too streamlined to the view that the vast number of low-paid jobs in this country guarantee "long term goals". Yes, business is successful. After all, Germany has a big sector for low-paid work, and reworked the former restrictions on fixed-term and part-time jobs. "Stable jobs" is a bit too general, then this comes at a price where I would dispute the view that they are "stable". They don't provide enough means for sustain a life after retirement anymore. Yes, Germany as a nation is economically doing fine. The low-paid job sector is booming - and the price for that will be paid by a lot of people struggling to finance their daily needs.

roel_v 13y ago
"They don't provide enough means for sustain a life after retirement anymore." German pension payment are compulsory, so even if you work one of these jobs for 40 years, you still get a pension. Unless I didn't understand what you were saying.
- sentenza 13y ago
  Yes, but his point was that the pensions which will be payed out to those workers are so small that they are essentially working their way into poverty.