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Smok.io’s connected electronic cigarette tracks your habit puff by puff

30 points by liam_boogar 13y ago

sneak 13y ago
Electronic cigarettes are not a dirty habit. They don't smell and nicotine addiction is not particularly harmful. The problem is inhaling smoke, and forcing others around you to inhale smoke against their will. Being a nicotine junkie is acceptable. Inhaling and exhaling combustion byproducts is not.
- bmelton 13y ago
  I think that the problem is that ecigs still produce vapor, and the anti-smoking industry has spend nearly a generation convincing people that second-hand smoke is the devil. Having long ago quit smoking indoors to keep from subjecting others to second-hand smoke, I understand the stigma, but there are those who will simply refuse to be convinced that vapor is not the same as second-hand smoke, which is why so many places are rushing to ban indoor ecigs, regardless of how non-sensical those policies might be.
  - Borogravia 13y ago
    I agree wholeheartedly that there are parts of the anti-smoking lobby that seem immune to facts, but calling them an "industry" seems a little excessive. They're strident but generally well-meaning public health activists, not lobbyists for some shady cabal of corporations.
  - bmelton 13y ago
    This is @Borogravia, who seems to have been hellbanned. 1) You've been hellbanned. 2) I wasn't referring to the grass-roots effort, but specifically, the anti-smoking lobby, specifically Michael Bloomberg, who has spent $600 million of his own money in anti-smoking campaigns, and who seems immune to facts. He has done a world of good, and I'm glad that the world smokes less, and I applaud his anti-smoking efforts... so hopefully that will diffuse the ad hominem that he is also an ignorant boor who seems utterly and completely immune to facts.
    - hbags 13y ago
      It's hard to take you seriously when you refer to a single individual giving away a huge chunk of wealth with no hope of earning a return as being an "industry".
      - bmelton 13y ago
        I actually pared that down from what I originally wrote, to the detriment of clarity. Please accept my upvote along with my apologies. Regardless, the man's $600 billion went to found a number of charities for the purpose of putting out anti-smoking ads in states across the nation. He is also rumored to have been a major contributor to "thetruth" (apparently, it's a big secret) who, despite the good that they do, were also filthy with misinformation. You're not entirely wrong that one man doesn't make an industry, but if one man started 20 companies that all shared the same purpose, would that not constitute an industry? Maybe it wouldn't. Maybe I'm using industry wrong. Either way, I agree that I misspoke, so hopefully this at least clarifies my position somewhat.
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        hbags 13y ago
        Giving $600MM away with no hope of earning a return is not an industry. Full stop.
kronholm 13y ago
Janty has had something similar for a while, their Mid series. Hook it up to USB and you can program it in all sorts of ways, save/load profiles, change the puff LED colour to any RGB value, etc. It even has a joystick(!). http://www.janty.com/en/mid-series http://www.janty.com/en/mid-series
systematical 13y ago
It's not conclusive that e-cigs are not hazardous to your health. And I'm not talking about the nicotine in them. Search around there are studies showing there are other chemicals in these, but its hard to know for sure still. *Note, I'm using an e-cig right now as a quitting aid. So this isn't some anti e-cig post.
- bmelton 13y ago
  In my experience, it's not very effective as a quitting aid. My knowledge could be very inconclusive, as there are specifically "quit smoking" flavors that I have not tried, but at least anecdotally, I've found myself smoking far more often with e-cigarettes than I did with tobacco. The flip side of that is that I'm in far better health than I was, and my respiratory system has rebounded to the point where I no longer wheeze going up a long flight of stairs, and it's of course far less expensive than cigarettes were. There may prove to be downsides, but the recipes themselves aren't exactly complicated. If you pay attention to what you're getting, and buy from reputable vendors, you shouldn't have to worry about secret ingredients, or whether or not it's being cut with arsenic or anything. If you're very worried about it, you can make your own liquid too.
  - comrh 13y ago
    I hardest part I've noticed is judging the nicotine level you should start with. I started to high and ended up getting more addicted to nic then I had to begin with. After mixing the solution with 0% nic and slowly lowering the level I've successfully cut down my amount quite a bit.
    - bmelton 13y ago
      I'm definitely in the 'more addicted' stage at this point, to the degree that I've rationalized away any need to quit. I'm actually entertaining something more like this[1], y'know, to have fun with it. [1] - https://www.thevaporgirl.com/Images/products/batteries/TGBatteries/Dragon%20Pipe/Dragon-Pipe3.jpg https://www.thevaporgirl.com/Images/products/batteries/TGBat...
SimpleXYZ 13y ago
E-cigs are not supposed to help people quit. They are a smoking alternative.
- grandpoobah 13y ago
  I started using e-cigs about a month ago and I have no interest in quitting. I enjoyed smoking cigarettes previously but felt guilty about what I was putting in my lungs, now I use an e-cig and it brings me more pleasure than smoking with none of the guilt. However, let's get one thing straight, this is not cheaper. If you let it, it quickly turns into a hobby and you want to spend all of your money on new equipment and flavors.
  - SimpleXYZ 13y ago
    Yeah there is a lot of cool e-cig stuff out there. But I would think it's still cheaper in the long run. There is a lot of studies that still need to be done. My personal theory is that since 1/3 of smoking related deaths are due to nicotine, e-cigs are about 66% "safer" than analog cigs.
    - mercer 13y ago
      Interesting. I was under the assumption that nicotine is no more dangerous than caffeïne, and that the primary danger of smoking is inhalation of burning tobacco particles (and some other chemicals). A cursory glance at the wikipedia article also doesn't mention that nicotine is that dangerous. Could you elaborate? I'm honestly curious.
      - SimpleXYZ 13y ago
        Well, consuming straight nicotine is a brand new phenom, and science is racing to catch up. Give it 10 years for any definitive science to be peer reviewed, confirmed, and then generally accepted. Take a look at things like this: http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20060720/nicotine-speeds-lung-cancer http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20060720/nicotine-speeds-lu... I can't find my original sources, so please, take my personal theories with a grain of salt... Many years ago I was studying the types of cancer smokers are more likely to get other than lung cancer. After my uncontrollable urge to crunch numbers, I came up with 2/3 lung cancer, 1/3 other cancer and made an unscientific guess that nicotine plays a big part in the non-lung cancer related illness.

30 points by liam_boogar 13y ago

sneak 13y ago

Electronic cigarettes are not a dirty habit. They don't smell and nicotine addiction is not particularly harmful. The problem is inhaling smoke, and forcing others around you to inhale smoke against their will. Being a nicotine junkie is acceptable. Inhaling and exhaling combustion byproducts is not.

bmelton 13y ago
I think that the problem is that ecigs still produce vapor, and the anti-smoking industry has spend nearly a generation convincing people that second-hand smoke is the devil. Having long ago quit smoking indoors to keep from subjecting others to second-hand smoke, I understand the stigma, but there are those who will simply refuse to be convinced that vapor is not the same as second-hand smoke, which is why so many places are rushing to ban indoor ecigs, regardless of how non-sensical those policies might be.
- Borogravia 13y ago
  I agree wholeheartedly that there are parts of the anti-smoking lobby that seem immune to facts, but calling them an "industry" seems a little excessive. They're strident but generally well-meaning public health activists, not lobbyists for some shady cabal of corporations.
- bmelton 13y ago
  This is @Borogravia, who seems to have been hellbanned. 1) You've been hellbanned. 2) I wasn't referring to the grass-roots effort, but specifically, the anti-smoking lobby, specifically Michael Bloomberg, who has spent $600 million of his own money in anti-smoking campaigns, and who seems immune to facts. He has done a world of good, and I'm glad that the world smokes less, and I applaud his anti-smoking efforts... so hopefully that will diffuse the ad hominem that he is also an ignorant boor who seems utterly and completely immune to facts.
  - hbags 13y ago
    It's hard to take you seriously when you refer to a single individual giving away a huge chunk of wealth with no hope of earning a return as being an "industry".
    - bmelton 13y ago
      I actually pared that down from what I originally wrote, to the detriment of clarity. Please accept my upvote along with my apologies. Regardless, the man's $600 billion went to found a number of charities for the purpose of putting out anti-smoking ads in states across the nation. He is also rumored to have been a major contributor to "thetruth" (apparently, it's a big secret) who, despite the good that they do, were also filthy with misinformation. You're not entirely wrong that one man doesn't make an industry, but if one man started 20 companies that all shared the same purpose, would that not constitute an industry? Maybe it wouldn't. Maybe I'm using industry wrong. Either way, I agree that I misspoke, so hopefully this at least clarifies my position somewhat.
      - deleted 13y ago
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      - hbags 13y ago
        Giving $600MM away with no hope of earning a return is not an industry. Full stop.

kronholm 13y ago

Janty has had something similar for a while, their Mid series. Hook it up to USB and you can program it in all sorts of ways, save/load profiles, change the puff LED colour to any RGB value, etc. It even has a joystick(!). http://www.janty.com/en/mid-series http://www.janty.com/en/mid-series

systematical 13y ago

It's not conclusive that e-cigs are not hazardous to your health. And I'm not talking about the nicotine in them. Search around there are studies showing there are other chemicals in these, but its hard to know for sure still. *Note, I'm using an e-cig right now as a quitting aid. So this isn't some anti e-cig post.

bmelton 13y ago
In my experience, it's not very effective as a quitting aid. My knowledge could be very inconclusive, as there are specifically "quit smoking" flavors that I have not tried, but at least anecdotally, I've found myself smoking far more often with e-cigarettes than I did with tobacco. The flip side of that is that I'm in far better health than I was, and my respiratory system has rebounded to the point where I no longer wheeze going up a long flight of stairs, and it's of course far less expensive than cigarettes were. There may prove to be downsides, but the recipes themselves aren't exactly complicated. If you pay attention to what you're getting, and buy from reputable vendors, you shouldn't have to worry about secret ingredients, or whether or not it's being cut with arsenic or anything. If you're very worried about it, you can make your own liquid too.
- comrh 13y ago
  I hardest part I've noticed is judging the nicotine level you should start with. I started to high and ended up getting more addicted to nic then I had to begin with. After mixing the solution with 0% nic and slowly lowering the level I've successfully cut down my amount quite a bit.
  - bmelton 13y ago
    I'm definitely in the 'more addicted' stage at this point, to the degree that I've rationalized away any need to quit. I'm actually entertaining something more like this[1], y'know, to have fun with it. [1] - https://www.thevaporgirl.com/Images/products/batteries/TGBatteries/Dragon%20Pipe/Dragon-Pipe3.jpg https://www.thevaporgirl.com/Images/products/batteries/TGBat...

SimpleXYZ 13y ago

E-cigs are not supposed to help people quit. They are a smoking alternative.

grandpoobah 13y ago
I started using e-cigs about a month ago and I have no interest in quitting. I enjoyed smoking cigarettes previously but felt guilty about what I was putting in my lungs, now I use an e-cig and it brings me more pleasure than smoking with none of the guilt. However, let's get one thing straight, this is not cheaper. If you let it, it quickly turns into a hobby and you want to spend all of your money on new equipment and flavors.
- SimpleXYZ 13y ago
  Yeah there is a lot of cool e-cig stuff out there. But I would think it's still cheaper in the long run. There is a lot of studies that still need to be done. My personal theory is that since 1/3 of smoking related deaths are due to nicotine, e-cigs are about 66% "safer" than analog cigs.
  - mercer 13y ago
    Interesting. I was under the assumption that nicotine is no more dangerous than caffeïne, and that the primary danger of smoking is inhalation of burning tobacco particles (and some other chemicals). A cursory glance at the wikipedia article also doesn't mention that nicotine is that dangerous. Could you elaborate? I'm honestly curious.
    - SimpleXYZ 13y ago
      Well, consuming straight nicotine is a brand new phenom, and science is racing to catch up. Give it 10 years for any definitive science to be peer reviewed, confirmed, and then generally accepted. Take a look at things like this: http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20060720/nicotine-speeds-lung-cancer http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20060720/nicotine-speeds-lu... I can't find my original sources, so please, take my personal theories with a grain of salt... Many years ago I was studying the types of cancer smokers are more likely to get other than lung cancer. After my uncontrollable urge to crunch numbers, I came up with 2/3 lung cancer, 1/3 other cancer and made an unscientific guess that nicotine plays a big part in the non-lung cancer related illness.