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I spent four years in (2 years longer than the OP), but worked on a substantially broader swath of intelligence areas and in much more policy-oriented positions
by bazillion 13y ago
I spent four years in (2 years longer than the OP), but worked on a substantially broader swath of intelligence areas and in much more policy-oriented positions, and I can tell you that the vitriol that's been displayed on HackerNews is incredibly tiresome to see, because you are all missing a very key point about how the NSA conducts business (which I've pointed out in previous posts).
The key point is this: the NSA does not create policy for its operations. Those are written into law through executive, legislative, and judicial processes, and the three should theoretically balance each other out, which the public currently deems as not doing a sufficient job of balancing. The NSA acts as an instrument -- the employees (to include the director) are directed through a system of reporting and feedback, and determine how best to act in order to obtain more positive feedback from customers of the reports.
This isn't some theoretical system I'm talking about -- it's a database of reporting with attached feedback. The feedback shows who consumed the report, whether or not the party found it useful, any enclosed comments about the report, and how high up the report went. If my report made it into the president's daily brief and more information about the reporting subject is desired, that will show up in the feedback, and thus I have my "direction".
How does this translate into real world operations? Here is a theoretical conversation between Mr. Policy and Mr. NSA:
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Mr. NSA: Here is some information I found about country X, which might indicate that they're conducting operation Y.
Mr. Policy: I would like to learn more about operation Y, and country X's intentions to expand it.
Mr. NSA: I don't currently have the capability to expound upon operation Y, unless you grant me the authority to access datastore Z.
Mr. Policy: We took a vote, and you have access to datastore Z on a thirty day trial basis, but then must shut down operations if nothing of value is found.
Mr. NSA: Here is the information you requested about operation Y and country X's intentions.
Mr. Policy: This information was not useful in directing policy, therefore datastore Z is to no longer be accessed.
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From this, I think you can extrapolate my point. Do you blame the scalpel for being too sharp, or the surgeon for handling it incorrectly?
- PavlovsCat 13y ago> Do you blame the scalpel for being too sharp, or the surgeon for handling it incorrectly? None of the above, if anything I'd blame people for being mere tools.
- dreamfactory 13y agoSo 'only following orders' is the defense here? And these orders (e.g. hacking Google's SSL endpoints, big data mining) originate from politicians? (And to call scrutiny 'tiresome' when the director baldly lies to congress frankly just compounds the general air of unchecked arrogance.)
- wmt 13y ago> unless you grant me the authority to access datastore Z NSA analysts accessing datastore Z is not the problem, and never was. Datastore Z is the problem. According to the leaked documents those datastores contain data of U.S. citizens which the NSA couldn't have legally intercepted and stored without a court order. E.g. the NSA cannot legally acquire copies of John Smith's email header fields and store them into datastore Z without a warrant defined by the 4th amendment.
- CamperBob2 13y agoYou forgot: Mr. Policy: I would like to learn more about Citizen A, but Mr. NSA is strongly prohibited from accessing data specific to citizens of this country. Unlike many rules this prohibition actually is taken seriously, with major consequences for anyone caught violating it. Mr. GCHQ: Bob's your uncle. Would you like that in .zip or .tar format?